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#21 Hackattack3

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Posted 30 December 2015 - 05:11 PM

Serious question, does anyone think WoW will ever make somewhat of a comeback? and having twice as many subs for the first 2 weeks of an expansion doesn't count.


No, wow as we know it is dead.

Reason: Damage to the brand. WoD was a call-up to the nostalgia of wow's prime, tbc, there were countless people I know that skipped mists/cata and finally gave wow one more shot with WoD. Personally, I think Mists was better than WoD and Cata but that's just me.

Only way to move on is to let the brand die and have it reborn under a different title/name.
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#22 Nicholaes92

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Posted 30 December 2015 - 06:38 PM

No, wow as we know it is dead.

Reason: Damage to the brand. WoD was a call-up to the nostalgia of wow's prime, tbc, there were countless people I know that skipped mists/cata and finally gave wow one more shot with WoD. Personally, I think Mists was better than WoD and Cata but that's just me.

Only way to move on is to let the brand die and have it reborn under a different title/name.


Wow is not dead. Not even close. The wow you and I both played in the day is dead, yes, but wow as a brand is not dead. look at Diablo 2 or Warcraft 3 those games had a very small community for the longest time but it was still kicking.
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Posted 30 December 2015 - 09:27 PM

WoW may not be dead
but this forum sure is
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#24 Hackattack3

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Posted 30 December 2015 - 10:35 PM

Wow is not dead. Not even close. The wow you and I both played in the day is dead, yes, but wow as a brand is not dead. look at Diablo 2 or Warcraft 3 those games had a very small community for the longest time but it was still kicking.


What do you consider alive? Enough people to be able to populate a single server? We should define that first.

What I consider alive is +10 mil subs with mainstream attention such as commercials and silly tv show references (the wow southpark episode). Maybe brewing as a potential esport? A game that can beat that retarded tree painter in follows on twitch.

What is your definition of "alive"? Is it safe to say that wow is currently 10% of what it once was? In terms of playability, popularity, and attention?
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#25 Nicholaes92

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 12:19 AM

What do you consider alive? Enough people to be able to populate a single server? We should define that first.

What I consider alive is +10 mil subs with mainstream attention such as commercials and silly tv show references (the wow southpark episode). Maybe brewing as a potential esport? A game that can beat that retarded tree painter in follows on twitch.

What is your definition of "alive"? Is it safe to say that wow is currently 10% of what it once was? In terms of playability, popularity, and attention?


If that is your definition of "alive" then there aren't very many video games considered "alive". Everything you just said is like a 12 years olds definition of a game that is alive.

1. "10+ mil subs with mainstream attention on tv shows and commercials" is this seriously what you consider an "alive" game? Last I checked wow was at like 5 mil subs or something? Do you realize how monumental of a game that was 5 MILLION people playing it is? If everyone did at least one battleground a week with 5 mil subs that would be 250,000 wsgs a week, or 35,000 a day. That's if everyone does one. That's fucking massive. Also you really think that because wow hasn't been in a South Park episode or family guy episode that it is considered dead? Well I would guess league of legends is dead now too because I don't recall seeing an episode on that.

2. "A game that can beat that painting game on twitch" so you think that because I game is not fun to watch (like every mmo) it is considered dead? Do you know how twitch really works? If lirik and summit were to stream a game like Diablo 1 it would without a doubt be at least number 3 on twitch. Would you consider Diablo 1 alive? People who go on twitch either have their streamers that they watch every day or they go to watch a game that is fun to watch, like an fps or a moba. Even if wow was at its peak right now and there was 12 million subs, it still wouldn't be watched very much. You know why? Because it's a fuckin mmo who wants to watch people farm? Or wipe on a raid? Or roll on gear? Fucking almost nobody, but it's fun to play.

3. "Safe to say wow is 10% popularity...." Where the fuck did you come up with this number? Let's just say wow did go down to 10% of the subs it once had. Okay so it's peak was what? 12 mil? 11 mil? So let's just say it went all the way down to 1.1million. Guess what. It still wouldn't be dead! They would probably get rid of a lot of servers and just condense it down to a couple and it would still be HUGE!!! Even with 1.1 mil that would still bring them in 16.5 million dollars a month. That's still profitable as fuck.

4. "A game that a potential esport" so if a game can't be made into an esport it's dead? Okay well I guess fallout4 is dead guys. We had a good run. Oh and that new mmo Tom Clancy game that's coming out sometime next year hopefully, better not buy that game because according to this guy it's going to be dead before it comes out because there is no esport potential.

Long story short you fuckin kids use radical words too fuckin often. Dead does not mean what you think it means. This game is definitely smaller in numbers if that's what you are trying to say.


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#26 bl00dlust

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 01:26 AM

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MMOs and MOBAs are far too dynamic to ever achieve anything close to true balance. Its more so about maintaining the illusion of balance (which blizzard doesn't do either), a good example of this would be League of Legends. Constant SMALL updates throughout the season to game balance that constantly shift the meta and keep the game fresh, rock nerfed scissors now OP.

I would argue that you don't even have to do this anymore to maintain a long-term competitive PvP game but the industry might be different now considering the standard set by Riot. The problem with WoW is something much more deeply rooted. Right now WoW is entirely based around cooldown-trading, classes are extremely homogenized and LACK DISTINCT WEAKNESSES, and last but not least hidden mechanics. Since I compared this game to league once before i'll give another example of this, it's as if champions core abilities and passive do not matter aside from ultimates and summoner spells. The game is entirely played around flash cooldown (PvP CC breaker trinkets) and long-winded ultimate CDs. The core abilities are simply filler as you wait eagerly for Ulti's and Summoner Spells to do anything meaningful. A league game design like this would be completely unplayable. Finally and last but not least my final League parallel and point. Hidden mechanics keep things interesting and gamers coming back for more. Both League and WoW were built on unintentional mechanics (Rivens auto canceling/rank 1 Frostbolt) but as you know the latter was unfortunately removed at the expense of the games replay-ability, while Riot did the complete opposite and accidentally fixed Riven's auto canceling only to reintroduce it immediately.

I guess at the end of the day Blizzard simply doesn't care about e-sports or even WoW at all anymore based on their sub numbers and the fact that they are now keeping a hush hush on their quarterly reports in the future. Rome was sacked with the introduction of Cataclysm and now the great Warcraft empire is showing signs of mortality with Constantinople bleeding subscribers at the hands of the Turks (homogenization). The WoW empire is crumbling but I think this is a good thing for the future of MMOs and the next great arena game.



a post that isn't name calling!??

Edited by bl00dlust, 31 December 2015 - 01:27 AM.

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#27 Nicholaes92

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 01:34 AM

a post that isn't name calling!??


I called him dog so technically no.
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#28 Kettu

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 02:03 AM

u guys should rly eat more cheeseburger cheese
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#29 Hackattack3

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 06:12 AM

If that is your definition of "alive" then there aren't very many video games considered "alive". Everything you just said is like a 12 years olds definition of a game that is alive.

1. "10+ mil subs with mainstream attention on tv shows and commercials" is this seriously what you consider an "alive" game? Last I checked wow was at like 5 mil subs or something? Do you realize how monumental of a game that was 5 MILLION people playing it is? If everyone did at least one battleground a week with 5 mil subs that would be 250,000 wsgs a week, or 35,000 a day. That's if everyone does one. That's fucking massive. Also you really think that because wow hasn't been in a South Park episode or family guy episode that it is considered dead? Well I would guess league of legends is dead now too because I don't recall seeing an episode on that.

2. "A game that can beat that painting game on twitch" so you think that because I game is not fun to watch (like every mmo) it is considered dead? Do you know how twitch really works? If lirik and summit were to stream a game like Diablo 1 it would without a doubt be at least number 3 on twitch. Would you consider Diablo 1 alive? People who go on twitch either have their streamers that they watch every day or they go to watch a game that is fun to watch, like an fps or a moba. Even if wow was at its peak right now and there was 12 million subs, it still wouldn't be watched very much. You know why? Because it's a fuckin mmo who wants to watch people farm? Or wipe on a raid? Or roll on gear? Fucking almost nobody, but it's fun to play.

3. "Safe to say wow is 10% popularity...." Where the fuck did you come up with this number? Let's just say wow did go down to 10% of the subs it once had. Okay so it's peak was what? 12 mil? 11 mil? So let's just say it went all the way down to 1.1million. Guess what. It still wouldn't be dead! They would probably get rid of a lot of servers and just condense it down to a couple and it would still be HUGE!!! Even with 1.1 mil that would still bring them in 16.5 million dollars a month. That's still profitable as fuck.

4. "A game that a potential esport" so if a game can't be made into an esport it's dead? Okay well I guess fallout4 is dead guys. We had a good run. Oh and that new mmo Tom Clancy game that's coming out sometime next year hopefully, better not buy that game because according to this guy it's going to be dead before it comes out because there is no esport potential.

Long story short you fuckin kids use radical words too fuckin often. Dead does not mean what you think it means. This game is definitely smaller in numbers if that's what you are trying to say.


Ok you I get where you are coming from but let me ask you this question, when did you start playing this game? Standards = expectations, i dont think you picked up this game till as least cata/mists
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#30 Hateformz

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 11:01 AM

yo thats

radical



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#31 Velcaa

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 12:08 PM

Ok you I get where you are coming from but let me ask you this question, when did you start playing this game? Standards = expectations, i dont think you picked up this game till as least cata/mists


how is that relevant to what he said?

is the game up to the standards of the old players of the game? no, are they even to the standards of the mop babies? no unless youre a 2200 hero who got their first glad title in wod

the game is far from dead, is it dead in comparison to its prime? ya; but just because you take half of a billionaires money doesn't make them poor in the public's eye, only to the billionaire and their family who were accustomed to having double what they had before

the game and it's players are no different

and ive played since the release of the game fyi before you ask

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#32 Nicholaes92

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 03:09 PM

Ok you I get where you are coming from but let me ask you this question, when did you start playing this game? Standards = expectations, i dont think you picked up this game till as least cata/mists


I started playing in vanilla when I was 12.
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Posted 01 January 2016 - 03:19 AM

Imagine the positive we could do if we just didn't slip into name calling. :(
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#34 jaimee

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 03:48 AM

imagine if eugene is actually holinka
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Posted 01 January 2016 - 04:00 AM

imagine if eugene is actually holinka

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#36 mcdookie

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 04:57 AM

how is that relevant to what he said?

is the game up to the standards of the old players of the game? no, are they even to the standards of the mop babies? no unless youre a 2200 hero who got their first glad title in wod

the game is far from dead, is it dead in comparison to its prime? ya; but just because you take half of a billionaires money doesn't make them poor in the public's eye, only to the billionaire and their family who were accustomed to having double what they had before

the game and it's players are no different

and ive played since the release of the game fyi before you ask

sick glad title velca

o wait

lmao
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#37 ROKMODE

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 05:17 AM

sick glad title velca

o wait

lmao

the season u got glad cant even be counted on 2 hands


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#38 Velcaa

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Posted 01 January 2016 - 07:45 PM

sick glad title velca

o wait

lmao


sick wod title


lmao

im glad ur proud of ur 2500 rating gladiator, 2 bad you couldnt even hit 2500 2 seasons in a row huh

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#39 Nicholaes92

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 03:40 AM

sick glad title velca

o wait

lmao


Let's all at least pretend you aren't proud of that wod title. Alright?
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