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#1 Dollyo

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Posted 25 December 2015 - 03:16 PM

Hey guys, I've just leveled up my destro but I'm a bit confused when it comes to use 4p or 2p and those talents.

I guess 2p+charred is used when playing comps which require setup like rld or wwls, and 4p+DemServ is used when playing rot comps like lsd or wls, because if you get kicked on yoyr chaos bolt you can still do dmg via incinerate.
Those are my thoughts but I'd like any high rated lock to clarify this.

In addition I'd like to know vs which comps should I be using sac'd imp over sac'd felhunter.

Thanks in advance :)
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Posted 25 December 2015 - 06:27 PM

Pretty as Destro you avoid using 4p and Demonic Servitude. You play 2p with Charred Remains. Although I think a 4p build + non-charred remains could work. Your Incins would be hitting quite hard. But fewer embers means fewer chaos bolts and ember taps. Pick your poison. :)
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Posted 25 December 2015 - 06:42 PM

Nazrins is the #1 destro lock world and he is using 4pc + DS for big incinerates.
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Posted 26 December 2015 - 08:02 PM

I made a noob destro as well, but I'm wondering what's the point of using demonic servitude if you play sac?
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Posted 27 December 2015 - 01:35 PM

I made a noob destro as well, but I'm wondering what's the point of using demonic servitude if you play sac?

The real thing is not to use Charred for the -50% on incinerate, so you have to take DemServ or Cata. Thus, incinerate will be hitting for 75-80k which is a pretty decent amount of dmg.
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Posted 08 January 2016 - 07:59 AM

Nazrins is the #1 destro lock world and he is using 4pc + DS for big incinerates.


yeah he hits for 32k and 64k crit with incinerate. its quite good because you got two spell trees to do some decent damage. your shadow tree (fear, shadowbolt, selfheal) is often counter'd. i like his playstyle but i cant really get used to getting only so few embers. :(

I made a noob destro as well, but I'm wondering what's the point of using demonic servitude if you play sac?


Nazrins plays demonic servitude with soullink and pet sac. if they go offensive and burst he sacs. if he is under a lot of pressure he summons doomguard to activate soullink (20% dmg reduction). he also plays with the hp shield sometimes. the hp shield scales with your pets life. doomguard and felhunter have the same amount but if you summon a infernal you get around 360k hp shield instead of 300k.


@Yavon: you can also play with pet sac using infernal (getting a good stun vs melee cleaves at 1 min cd) in combination with mass fear and bloodhorror. mass fear cd gets even shorter if melee cleave trains you.

for duels vs melees i recommend soullink voidwalker sac with hp trinkets. use hp trinket first then vw special. your ember tab heals 14% of max hp. with charred remains you can outheal every 1on1 burst and kill him in a long fear. pick fury and bloodhorror for more chances to burst.

Edited by DkH.ZeRa, 08 January 2016 - 08:01 AM.

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Posted 08 January 2016 - 04:30 PM

I made a noob destro as well, but I'm wondering what's the point of using demonic servitude if you play sac?

In addition to what people mentioned above, I heard that omnibar does not automatically track the Doomguard interrupt. As everybody uses that addon, the talent is not 100% useless :>
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Posted 11 January 2016 - 02:45 PM

Might not bee 100% on topic here but for ie LSD2. Would u run 2set and charrid remains or 4set?
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Posted 11 January 2016 - 02:59 PM

Might not bee 100% on topic here but for ie LSD2. Would u run 2set and charrid remains or 4set?


Personally, after some days playing LSD at 2.3-2.4 mmr, I found charred remains and 2p the best choice in the sense that you can cast a couple of chaos without cds and I'll be sitting cc here because ppl get afraid when they see me casting and try to peel asap, so right after the cc chain ends I just pop cds and i have freecast for the big chaos.

The other choice (4p and demonic servitud) is also good, but I don't really know when to use charred over 4p, i have only like 40 arenas played on my lock and I still have to get used to playing destro.
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Posted 12 January 2016 - 07:11 AM

Personally, after some days playing LSD at 2.3-2.4 mmr, I found charred remains and 2p the best choice in the sense that you can cast a couple of chaos without cds and I'll be sitting cc here because ppl get afraid when they see me casting and try to peel asap, so right after the cc chain ends I just pop cds and i have freecast for the big chaos.

The other choice (4p and demonic servitud) is also good, but I don't really know when to use charred over 4p, i have only like 40 arenas played on my lock and I still have to get used to playing destro.


Ty for awnser ^^ Played some Destro LSD2 last night with 2pc and CR. That shit is so troll xD jumping arouned doing nothing, our shammy dipps low so enemy dps overextends, in 3 seconds he is totaly erased without any cc what so ever xD (only 2,1k mmr) Love running this on the alt lock for the laughts xD

Edited by Fakalock, 12 January 2016 - 07:12 AM.

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Posted 12 January 2016 - 12:25 PM

Assuming that I am an idiot, 2p/4p?

You are talking about the set bonus?

How do you keep a 2p bonus ful geared?

Please... help me understnd! :wub:
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Posted 12 January 2016 - 01:57 PM

Assuming that I am an idiot, 2p/4p?

You are talking about the set bonus?

How do you keep a 2p bonus ful geared?

Please... help me understnd! :wub:


In wod there are the Set pieces and there're also non-set pieces which give us versa+another stat, so you can play with 4p+1versa piece or 2p+3versa pieces.
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Posted 12 January 2016 - 04:21 PM

Thank you!
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Posted 01 February 2016 - 02:40 PM

Thank you!

the reasoning is that crit and multistrike are garbage in pvp this expansion (you cant find it anywhere ingame but both are nerfed by 50% in pvp) so everyone avoids them at all costs.
plus, versatility is pretty good for pvp so specs that have near-useless set bonuses just ignore them altogether in favor of getting the gear with the best stats regardless (which is the case of the 4pc destro bonus if you're using charred remains along with it).
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Posted 02 February 2016 - 11:56 AM

the reasoning is that crit and multistrike are garbage in pvp this expansion (you cant find it anywhere ingame but both are nerfed by 50% in pvp)


wow forum says its only 150% crit-chance in pvp and 200% crit-chance in pve. but as destro my conflag hits for 30k uncrit and 60k crit ingame. i'm sure about that. same for all the other spells.
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Posted 15 February 2016 - 12:03 PM

wow forum says its only 150% crit-chance in pvp and 200% crit-chance in pve. but as destro my conflag hits for 30k uncrit and 60k crit ingame. i'm sure about that. same for all the other spells.

its not crit chance that is nerfed, its crit damage, as you say.
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