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#1 Csedition

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 01:26 PM

Combat is the best spec for rogues in arena. I said it. Mostly for 3's though, or 2's if you wanna be a fuckboy and have a healer. You can 100-0 someone in a Kidney shot without even MODERATE insight as a combat rogue. It's disgusting the level of damage they put out.

Sin is best for 2's, by FAR. You have 3-4 huge burst opportunities per game with sin (Trinket, double vanish, glyph of dissapearance, Vendetta). Its constant damage and regular burst windows really make it a superior spec to Sub in 2's.

No, it isn't the spec you're playing which is holding you back in arena. It's you playing your class incorrectly. What sub does have going for it is shadow dance which makes Blinding and then sapping off of a blind very easy while still being able to burst your target during a dance.

But you do NOT have to play sub to get high rating. In fact the Rank 1 player in the entire world, a Combat Rogue on EU named Waazlysnips (3159 last season) plays ONLY combat.

The thing you need to learn about rogue is you have tools to royally screw over people's big cooldowns. Its like a flow chart. The first thing you need to master in arena is your Arena and Focus 123 macros. Master them and make them part of your muscle memory and I PROMISE you that you will get higher rating.

Someone trinkets your cheap shot? Blind into double sap.

Someone sits your stun? Destroy their partner and blind off of the cheap shot.

Trinkets your blind? MFD Kidney into gouge.

These rotations are especially delicious against feral druids, the OP cowards they are. Oh sorry, were you using incarnation?

Every rogue spec is a great rogue spec. You shouldn't feel like you aren't a great rogue if you don't want to play sub. Who would? Its needlessly complicated for that few extra tools that sub has. Combat literally does 99% of what sub does, and so does Assassination. I personally believe that the ONLY thing which makes you a good rogue is playing the class correctly, and using focus/arena123 macros for shadowstep, blind, and sap.

Some useful Macros and further advice for rogues who are bad and/or learning this class:

Whenever you are doing 2's and you need to open on someone who has a stealth partner (IE DK/Feral) you should open with combat readiness from stealth. Then you cheapshot and open, etc. etc.

#showtooltip Combat Readiness
/cast Combat Readiness
/cast Feint

You will usually be opened on immediately, so this ensures that when feral druids stun lock your ass you take greatly reduced damage for a few seconds.

Great sap macro for finding stealthed players while you are shrouding your partner in is
#showtooltip
/stopattack
/cleartarget
/targetenemyplayer
/cast Sap

This macro will instantly sap a stealthed target the second they become visible in stealth (if you walk near them for instance). Basically saps the nearest player to you.

#showtooltip Evasion
/cast Evasion
/cast Feint

Honestly tethering your feint to Evasion really really helps your survivability when you're in trouble, I'd recommend using this macro too. you can spam the key when stunned and it will activate Evasion and will keep activating Feint during the whole cooldown.

#showtooltip Preparation
/cast Sprint
/cast Evasion
/cast Preparation

Whenever you use a vanish, and you need to reset it so you can vanish again in a hairy situation. this macro makes sure you get use of the other two abilities that Prep resets. There's no real sense using it for no reason, but there's no sense NOT using these abilities either, and they're going to be reset anyways when you cast prep to vanish. Sometimes the random Evasion or Sprint cast that goes off can make a difference, but its mostly just so you use ALL the abilities that prep resets even when you don't need the cooldown.

Thx, have a good day
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#2 Dollyo

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 01:54 PM

Erm... Can someone tell me what's this?
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#3 Randomguy

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 02:17 PM

Sin is best for 2's, by FAR.


can we please not call assassination "sin" - it sounds incredibly dumb
just call it assa
we dont call subtlety "tlety" either do we?
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#4 Lloix

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 02:22 PM

We know.
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#5 Lloix

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 02:24 PM

Drunk nahj is this you?
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#6 Seductions

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 03:12 PM

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#7 Kroyfel

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 03:25 PM

I like tlety, but I prefer bat in 2s
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#8 FeralNisse

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 03:58 PM

bat op specc

this guy is US for sure since it took him 1 year to realize combat is the best specc :duckers:

Edited by FeralNisse, 21 November 2015 - 04:16 PM.

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#9 HeyimJack

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 04:36 PM

You're a complete fucking moron how have you made it this far through life?

Go back to the WoW forums
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#10 Dills

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 04:37 PM

Everyone knows that sub hasn't been the best spec lol, just US players will make fun of you if you play combat so we don't have to deal with that shit
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did you ever get round to taking it? It's actually the best free site i've found :)

Gonna take that as you flopped hard and couldn't get near my score with repeated tries :)


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Posted 21 November 2015 - 04:55 PM

Everyone knows that tlety hasn't been the best spec lol, just US players will make fun of you if you play bat so we don't have to deal with that shit


fix'd!

Edit: +rep +puta if helped!

Edited by Randomguy, 21 November 2015 - 05:01 PM.

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#12 prokillur

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 05:03 PM

who is this cucklord and where did anyone say sub was the best

You shouldn't feel like you aren't a great rogue if you don't want to play sub. Who would? Its needlessly complicated for that few extra tools that sub has.


you are the cancer that is killing wow
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#13 Xonika

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 06:17 PM

people use sub as an excuse for losing, in general its just as good as combat/better vs some things
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#14 Csedition

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 08:41 PM

Its not just high rated people who browse these forums, lots of people have misconceptions about the class. Anyone hating on me for trying to help is a fuckboy as well.

I said it
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Posted 21 November 2015 - 08:46 PM

tlety is ok
but sin is much better
kuku

Edited by ROKMODE, 21 November 2015 - 08:46 PM.

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 11:05 PM

Wasn't Assassination always called "Mutilate"?
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#17 Ogcreamsicle

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 11:07 PM

Only combat rmd to get r1 on us. sub is so fotm
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#18 Maleficent

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 11:08 PM

One of the best topics i've seen this year.
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#19 Nahj

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Posted 22 November 2015 - 01:11 AM

Drunk nahj is this you?

nop

im too broke to be an alcoholic after bcon.
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#20 Ogcreamsicle

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Posted 22 November 2015 - 02:05 AM

nop

im too broke to be an alcoholic after bcon.


weird i heard you didnt pay for nearly anything
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