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#1 Agarito

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 02:18 PM

Hey guys,

I am a new player that actually plays rogue but had a question about warrior's perspective on duels vs. a rogue.

I was watching a video of a skilled rogue vs warrior (ArenaMaster achievement i think) and noticed that sometimes the warrior did not use enraged regeneration until well into the duel (45 seconds from the opening cheap shot and at this time the war was 1/3 hp). Is there are reason behind using ER so late?

If I am correct, ER heals for a total of 30% of maximum hp. The rogue opener always did at least that amount.

Wouldn't it make sense for a warrior to always use ER during the opening burst or as soon as 70% hp is reached (or ~65% if combo with rallying cry) so that it increases the likelihood of being able to use ER again as soon as possible?

The rogue was using instant poison.

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 02:46 PM

Only possible explanation to me, would be, that the Warrior is trying to force rogue trinket und fear, so wound poison wears off and the warrior can get more heal out of it.


In general, wound poisons plays.But you said Instant poison, so dont know.Maybe Mortal Strike Glyph, but it wouldn't make that big of a difference in both situations I think.

Was the rogue Nerve Strike? This reduces Heal out of Cheap/Kidney aswell.
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Posted 23 October 2015 - 03:16 PM

Only possible explanation to me, would be, that the Warrior is trying to force rogue trinket und fear, so wound poison wears off and the warrior can get more heal out of it.


In general, wound poisons plays.But you said Instant poison, so dont know.Maybe Mortal Strike Glyph, but it wouldn't make that big of a difference in both situations I think.

Was the rogue Nerve Strike? This reduces Heal out of Cheap/Kidney aswell.


Thanks for your answer. The rogue was running combat readiness and the warrior had mortal strike debuff on rogue earlier in the fight. I guess it's safe to assume it is a mistake.
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Posted 23 October 2015 - 08:58 PM

Lots of warrior don't consider the CD when they pop ER and don't think of the health pool when they use it


They also might be waiting for wound to fall off, but it's not like wound does anything anyway. I personally pop it asoon as i drop below 90%, as they'll do the remaining 20% in damage over the next 6 seconds
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Posted 23 October 2015 - 11:38 PM

I didn't watch the movie so I can't tell, but I'm assuming the Warrior waited till the Rogue wasn't in a position to shiv it.

If you enrage regen right away the Rogue will just shiv it and you are left with nothing.

Edit: Actually, I'm not too sure if you can shiv it.

Edited by Naraga, 23 October 2015 - 11:41 PM.

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Posted 23 October 2015 - 11:51 PM

You can't shiv it, only shiv berserker rage.
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Posted 23 October 2015 - 11:58 PM

You can't shiv it, only shiv berserker rage.


Enraged regen used to heal 50 or 100% more when enraged tho probably what hes aiming for
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Posted 25 October 2015 - 12:11 AM

ER required an enrage effect to be present for it to be popped entirely, so.
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Posted 25 October 2015 - 01:05 AM

ER required an enrage effect to be present for it to be popped entirely, so.

Ah yeah that was it.

Well, theres your answer OP
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Posted 26 October 2015 - 11:02 AM

Yep, and it had a lot of drawbacks to boot.

Required an enrage and prevented all other Enrages to be used while it was active.
So when you were Regening you couldn't Berserker Rage unless you canceled it, and thus you were susceptible to controls you normally wouldn't mind that much, such as Fears and incaps in general.
Granted Warrs had Second Wind and Blood Craze back in Wrath, so the thing was less oppressing.

In Cata it didn't eat enrages anymore, and I think in MoP it didn't even required them when it became a talent.
A talent nobody chose since Second Wind blew everything out of the water anyway.

So basically, @op:
answer is it depends on when the duel was played, where the duel was going and what happened all around. As a rule of thumb the proper way to pop ER is to somehow keep the pressure low.
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Posted 06 November 2015 - 07:04 PM

i always pop ER when rogues perma stun me.
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