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#1 Bewdetdef

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 06:07 PM

I do not play combat very much, favoring assa for the most part but I want to try it out now - I have checked the 4piece and its the same as for Assa but not really with a great use to it.

Most combat's dmg comes from white hits, off-hand procs and sinisters, am I right? Not really from finishers

At least thats how it was in the old days. You prefered energy for SSs instead Evis

Reading the bonus I would intuitively skip it, but seeing praii and others using the 4pieces, even have 5/5 equipped - makes no real sense to me.

Can you bring sense into this for me?

Would I be better of going 2piece and versatil + mastery where ever I can? Or go 4piece but please with a proper explanation

Greatly appreciated!
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#2 Sniz

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 09:30 PM

I would also be interested in the answer to this, but my guess is it comes down to playstyle, as I see some rogues using the 4 set and others not. Personally I like the utility of the extra combo points, either to use it as a mfd to get a kidney up (combine with garrote or cheap on off target), use it for a full recup/snd, or I also find its nice at the end of killing spree/kidney to vanish garrote/evis. Usually crits for about 50k and can be a nice way to finish off a target.

Saying all that though if someone could mathematically prove the vers pieces are miles better maybe those things arnt worth it I don't know..
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#3 Maumaux

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 09:50 PM

Only real reason for 4 set would be vanish Ambush or eviscerate both hit hard with 100% crit.

To be honest doesn't really matter what gear you have stats change maybe 4-7 percent either way. You wont be losing games becuase one rogue has 5 percent more of 1 stat that you have.

I like full crit and haste with at least 50% mastery buffed. but that is just my play-style. reason some rogue have 4-5 set is just due to them not wanting to RBG or Ashran, easy to just get the set bonus gear.
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Posted 15 September 2015 - 09:55 PM

You can buy the vers pieces from the vendor now.

Also do people use ambush as combat? I'm probably just shit but I don't even have it on my bars :/
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Posted 15 September 2015 - 10:48 PM

I believe that 5 combo points, generated instantly, used for eviscerate and reducing a cd of killing spree and adrenaline rush by 10 seconds x2 is too good to pass. That's 20 seconds off of those CDs, guranteed. Add a MFD and you got 30 sec CD reduction on 2 min KS, making it 1 min 30 sec CD already.
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#6 Ickz

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Posted 15 September 2015 - 11:19 PM

Combat is probably the one spec where you would definitely want the 4pc. As stated aleady, it's great damage and cd reduc. Also, it's actually different from the ass 4pc - combat is 100% crit chance vs the nerfed 10% for ass.
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Posted 15 September 2015 - 11:38 PM

Awesome, great info. Still wondering about my side question though, do you ever use ambush as combat? I've always thought you're better off using sinister to get those stacks ticking but If im wrong I better find another keybind..
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#8 Ashleyirl

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Posted 16 September 2015 - 08:20 AM

I believe that 5 combo points, generated instantly, used for eviscerate and reducing a cd of killing spree and adrenaline rush by 10 seconds x2 is too good to pass. That's 20 seconds off of those CDs, guranteed. Add a MFD and you got 30 sec CD reduction on 2 min KS, making it 1 min 30 sec CD already.



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-> also, like someone said earlier on, the combo points are great for being able to create a setup out of just a vanish, you can get your mage to deep the healer while you cheapshot the other dps while step-kidneying kill target and you don't have to worry about lining about combo points before


all in all the 4-set is significantly better for combat if you know what you're doing with it, so just practise with it and im sure you'll learn to like it too
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#9 Maumaux

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Posted 16 September 2015 - 08:19 PM

You can buy the vers pieces from the vendor now.

Also do people use ambush as combat? I'm probably just shit but I don't even have it on my bars :/

It has its moments only with 100% crit. I can get 70k Ambushes with red buff vanish 100% Crit as well as 85k evicerate with redbuff.

Ambush with no buff is like 30k, oh the above is with night stalker also. I don't use normal just bored and fucking around with variables is all.
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Posted 16 September 2015 - 10:11 PM

So even in that scenario why would you use ambush over evis? Unless you don't have the 4-set maybe?
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Posted 17 September 2015 - 03:15 AM

So even in that scenario why would you use ambush over evis? Unless you don't have the 4-set maybe?

if you didn't have 5 combo points and need a big hit for the kill,
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Posted 17 September 2015 - 01:21 PM

Like Ashley said, unless the kill target has something like 40-50k hp it's more useful to setup CC on an off target and get a free full kidney on a kill target if you're going to vanish offensively.
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Posted 17 September 2015 - 11:12 PM

Thanks Lloix, jut to be clear though if I run 4 piece there's no real need for me to have ambush on my bars? Or should I have it anyway?
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Posted 21 September 2015 - 02:59 PM

You should still keep it on your bars. I think in most cases it's just too much energy though, you get the most benefit from vanish by using garrote/cheap on multiple targets, but if you were doing something like a stun>hunter going to trinket deter>vanish cheap for kill it wouldn't hurt to use ambush instead of something like SS.
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Posted 23 September 2015 - 05:10 AM

Right so sorry to sound like a broken record but in that scenario you described (vanish into cheap then ambush to get the kill), assuming I have the 4 piece wouldn't I be better off using eviscerate?

The only scenario I could think where you would use ambush would be vanish into kidney then ambush for a bit of extra damage, but it seems to me like there would be better uses of vanish then that. So I'll bind it but I still can't see myself using it!

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#16 Maumaux

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Posted 25 September 2015 - 08:31 PM

Right so sorry to sound like a broken record but in that scenario you described (vanish into cheap then ambush to get the kill), assuming I have the 4 piece wouldn't I be better off using eviscerate?

The only scenario I could think where you would use ambush would be vanish into kidney then ambush for a bit of extra damage, but it seems to me like there would be better uses of vanish then that. So I'll bind it but I still can't see myself using it!

Thanks for replies

again ambush/evicerate should only be used with redbuff and revealing up, if on use or proc is active that helps even more. Ive gotten up to 80k in that scenario. But like everyone says Rogue isnt really for damage we are mostly there for cc and lockouts. But sometimes that extra damage is fine.
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Posted 12 October 2015 - 06:00 PM

For the love of god, use the four piece. Reduces the CD of AR and KS every vanish.
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