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#1 Imtaz

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Posted 22 July 2015 - 10:25 AM

So currently my PC is a good as two bricks on top of each other, looking for something new. And honestly don't wanna get screwed over later on so I just wanna know what you guys think or is your advice on this.

Games: World of Warcraft & Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

Still got a few TB in drives laying around, if you wondered why the lack of storage. Also not really interested in case modding/overclocking since u can't overlock the CPU/motherboard and the case is basic. I know :)
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Like I said tips/advice or any form of input is welcome atm.

And thanks :D
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Posted 22 July 2015 - 01:46 PM

I won't really get into a price by price comparison since I don't really see it mentioned anywhere, but from my experience with 9 builds over the years I can give a few tips. You should take any advice with a grain of salt as most people's experiences will be pretty anecdotal unless they're working at a café or something and can share views based off of dozens of builds, and for whatever reason people fanboy computer parts:

I prefer ASUS motherboards, I'm using an Asrock Z77 currently and have had issues with it, needing to reset bios due to crashes, computer would just randomly not turn on, etc, and with that board you posted people seem to have had issues with the speeds on theirs not working properly. Motherboards are generally not the area you'd want to go cheap on.

i5's are great so there's nothing to comment on there. Others will tell you AMD is cheaper and that's definitely true, I've used both in the past (not current gen) and haven't really had any issues either way.

I really am not a fan of MSI GPU's, I've owned 3 and every time I run into issues with overheating, having them show up broken, or getting other random crashes/compatability issues (mind you I've spent the majority of my gaming time playing 1.6/source/WoW). Never had issues with EVGA products, but you can run WoW with desktop graphics nowadays and unless you're playing CS with the graphics cranked for some reason (do people even run FPS/CAL configs anymore?) a lot of the things in this build are a bit overkill.

NZXT is cheap but it's also just a shitty product, they ship you sheet metal boxes with the occasional leet LED's on it. Right now I'm using a Corsair Carbide Series 300R tower that costs $80 USD which I believe is around the same price you posted and it's been pretty great, very minimalist looking and has a shit ton of airflow. http://www.newegg.co...9-011-_-Product

I'm in the same boat for RAM, I've used Corsair/GSkill forever and they've both been great. I can't tell how much you've got but 8mb is plenty.

You have to be careful that your PSU is enough for your GPU. The one you have listed at 450W is lower than what MSI lists as the 'recommended' requirement of 500W. (There's also specific voltage requirements for different rails but generally if the GPU requires 500W I would go for 600W minimum.) This one's about the same price if not cheaper and will work fine for you. http://www.newegg.co...9-048-_-Product


I don't know shit about monitors, I buy them from China really cheap and they work.

To recap:

Do not buy NZXT cases.

Make sure your Mobo/processor are compatible, make sure the motherboard has enough ports for drives that you need.

Make sure your PSU is strong enough for the GPU you want.

Everything you have listed is overkill for the two games you mentioned you wanted to play primarily, so you can easily drop your GPU to a 950, save yourself two hundred bucks, and still play WoW maxed. (Provided you don't get a monitor with an insane resolution).
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#3 glonglon

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 05:11 AM

Computer Screen choice

You have to make a choice between two LCD screens technologies, IPS & TN :

- TN panels offer great responsiveness at the price of a lower picture quality.

- IPS panels offer the best picture quality, true colors and wide viewings angles at the price of a lower responsiveness than TN.

For gaming purposes I would recommend two models :

- AOC G2460PG (TN panel, 144hz, 1080p, no input lag, no reverse ghosting, G-sync, excellent responsiveness).
- DELL U2414H (IPS panel, 60hz, 1080p, no input lag, no reverse ghosting, responsiveness is good enough for gaming).


Motherboard

If you don't want to overclock you should go for an h97 chipset motherboard like the GIGABYTE GA- H97 - D3H or Asus H97-pro gamer (avoid b85 chipsets mobos, h97 is newer and has more features).

If you want to overclock you should go for a z97 chipset motherboard like the GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-UD3H or ASUS Z97-Pro Gamer.


CPU

Any intel core i5 4xxx cpu will be fine for gaming but If you want to pair the cpu with a very powerful gpu an intel core i5 46xx will be a better choice. A smart move would be to wait for the release of the new intel "skylake" CPUs in august/september because they bring new interesting features like DDR4, USB 3.1, type-C...

Currently my personal choice would be :

no overclock : Intel core i5 4690
with overclock : Intel core i5 4690k


CPU Cooler

no overclock : Cooler Master Hyper 412S (cheap and less noisy than intel stock cooler)
for overclock or 144hz gaming : Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev.B or Thermalright True Spirit 140 Power

GPU

If you only play CS:go & WoW : Sapphire AMD Radeon R9 280 3Go. Excellent price/performance ratio. This gpu can run all the latest games smoothly in [email protected] without too many graphic concessions. For [email protected] gaming you might have to make some graphic concessions for some demanding games.

If you want to play all the latest games in [email protected] with the highest graphics : GAINWARD GeFORCE GTX 970 - 4Go GDDR5 or SAPPHIRE NITRO R9 390 8Go

RAM

Pick a PC3 kit with 1600mhz frequency (12800) and 8/9 cas latency. You want a low profile design to avoid issues with the CPU Cooler.

For gaming with a @60hz screen : 2x4Go will be enough.
For gaming with a @144hz screen : 2x8Go

for WoW and Cs:go 2x4Go is enough.

examples :

- G.Skill XL Series RipJaws X Series 2x8 Go 12800 cas 9

- KINGSTON Hyper X Savage 2x4Go 12800 cas 9


Case

no overclock : Corsair Carbide 200R or Xigmatek Alfar
with overclock : In Win GR One
If you enjoy silence : Zalman R1
2 graphic cards (SLI or CrossFire) : Fractal Design Arc midi R2


SSD (for OS + Games)

Currently the fastest SSD are the samsung 850 pro (overpriced), Crucial mx 100 and Sandisk ultra plus

I would recommend to go with : Sandisk 256go ultra plus

HDD (for data storage)

WESTERN DIGITAL 1To Green (WD10EZRX) or 2To Green (WD20EZRX). 2To is better if you want to store the best HD quality hentai porn :wub:

nb : If you want to record your games, the best thing to do is to add a fast hdd dedicated for this like SEAGATE 500Go Barracuda (ST500DM002).

PSU

Cooler Master G550M (80+ bronze, 550w, semi-modular cable design). 550w is enough if you don't overclock.

If you want to overclock you don't need more than 650w : Cooler Master G650M (80+ bronze, 650w, semi-modular cable design) will be enough.

Sata Cable

Don't forget to buy an extra 0,50cm sata 3 cable and you're good ;)

BLU-RAY/DVD Drive (optional)

Any 20€ drive will be fine, example : LG GH24NSC0


Hope this helps,
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#4 Trapstarz

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 06:10 PM

Thanks Glonglon it's clear and simple

Edited by Trapstarz, 23 July 2015 - 06:10 PM.

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Posted 24 July 2015 - 12:20 PM

I don't know shit about monitors, I buy them from China really cheap and they work.

To recap:

Do not buy NZXT cases.

Make sure your Mobo/processor are compatible, make sure the motherboard has enough ports for drives that you need.

Make sure your PSU is strong enough for the GPU you want.

Everything you have listed is overkill for the two games you mentioned you wanted to play primarily, so you can easily drop your GPU to a 950, save yourself two hundred bucks, and still play WoW maxed. (Provided you don't get a monitor with an insane resolution).


Thanks already, Intel stock cooler and everything 450W should be enough however it can't hurt to up it a bit. Might actually downgrade the GPU a bit to save a bit, like I played 3 games in my entire life consistantly and its like CS 1.6 CS:GO & WOW there is no point to overkill it since the chances are that ill play an other game are rather slim.

The monitor listed is a Benq XL2430T 144Hz with 1920x1080 resolution.

I will take a look at the cases, like I said can't care less about casemodding as long as it works fine with me, prefer black but thats all.

Edit: 8GB Ram btw

Thanks again

Edited by Imtaz, 24 July 2015 - 12:26 PM.

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#6 Imtaz

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Posted 26 July 2015 - 09:21 AM

Intel Core i5-4460 Boxed
ASRock B85M Pro4
Gigabyte GV-R929OC-4GD
Cooler Master N300 (KKN1, closed)
Crucial Ballistix Tactical BLT2C4G3D1608ET
Antec VPF Series 450W
Crucial BX100 250GB





@Gonglon & @Lloix

What u think about his build, downgraded a bit dunno why I wanted a top tier PC, i guess because my PC has always been worse then 2 bricks on top of each other

Probably going for this one
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#7 glonglon

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Posted 26 July 2015 - 01:08 PM

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Mobo : Replace the b85 mobo by an h97 one, it'll be better in the long run.

About the case, If you absolutely want a Cooler Master one you should go for the n400, it's only 10 more bucks and it's better.

PSU : Doesn't have a modular cable design, you should go for a coolermaster G450M (80+bronze, 450w, semi-modular cable design).

GPU : Too powerful for CS:go & WoW. You could save money by downgrading your GPU. Sapphire AMD Radeon R9 280 3go is enough. Even the entry-lvl Sapphire Radeon R7 250X OC can run cs:[email protected]

Rest of the build is okay.

I played 3 games in my entire life consistantly and its like CS 1.6 CS:GO & WOW there is no point to overkill it since the chances are that ill play an other game are rather slim.


Since those games are not very demanding, I think your overall build is too powerful. I made you a 600€ build (shipping included) that can run wow & cs:go smoothly in [email protected] With this build you'll have to make graphic concessions on demanding games like GTA V but you don't strike me as the kind of guy that plays all the recent games on day one :)

Monitor : Iiyama XU2390HS (IPS panel, 60hz, 1080p, no input lag, no reverse ghosting, responsiveness is good enough for gaming but the dell u2414h is a better choice). 186€
CPU : Core i3 4330 137€
CPU cooler : intel stock cooler 0€
motherboard : Gigabyte GA-H97-D3H 104€
RAM : Crucial 2x4go Ballistix sport (DDR3 1600 mhz cas 9) 47€
GPU : SAPPHIRE Radeon R7 250X VAPOR-X 1Go GDDR5 105€
ssd (os+games) : crucial bx100 120go 60€
HDD (data) : SEAGATE 1To Barracuda (ST1000DM003) 7200rpm, 64mo cache, sata 3 54€
dvd drive : LG GH24NSC0 18€
PSU: COOLER MASTER G450M (80+ bronze, modular design) 54€
Case : zalman R1 52€
Other : 0,50cm sata 3 cable 2,95€

Total price without screen : 634€
Total price with screen : 820€

Hope this helps,
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Posted 27 July 2015 - 08:15 AM

I can prob stil run those games with 512 mb and <1ghz
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Posted 01 August 2015 - 08:58 AM

You have to be careful that your PSU is enough for your GPU. The one you have listed at 450W is lower than what MSI lists as the 'recommended' requirement of 500W. (There's also specific voltage requirements for different rails but generally if the GPU requires 500W I would go for 600W minimum.) This one's about the same price if not cheaper and will work fine for you. http://www.newegg.co...9-048-_-Product



7 years of building experience and you advise people to buy a corsair cx ? LOL . that 450w seasonic probably draws more people and is more stable than that 600W corsair cx crap. never buy a corsair. their budget psu's are made in china and their top tier psu's are made by seasonic but just more expensive because they slap a corsair sticker on it. those are by far the worst shitty power supply's ever made. basicaly if you don't want to drop 200$ for a premium psu your only choice is seasonic. they are the only psu maker left that still makes good stuff in the low and mid end range. all the rest is made in china crap.

https://www.google.b...uy a corsair cx


also , do not downgrade your gpu. wow has become VERY graphicaly demanding with everything maxed out. and with all the aa and supersampling settings to max barely playable . my overclocked 4690k and 280x has around 45 fps in my garrison. if you want to get the maximum out of that 144hz screen you definitly want a gtx970.

Edited by zajklon, 01 August 2015 - 09:03 AM.

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#10 glonglon

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Posted 01 August 2015 - 11:00 AM

also , do not downgrade your gpu. wow has become VERY graphicaly demanding with everything maxed out. and with all the aa and supersampling settings to max barely playable . my overclocked 4690k and 280x has around 45 fps in my garrison. if you want to get the maximum out of that 144hz screen you definitly want a gtx970.


Yeah with max settings and filters enabled WoW is a demanding game but If you agree to make some graphic concessions you can run it [email protected] even with a 400€ poorman's build like a g3258+radeon r7 250x. Luckily for the poor ppl, wow is a game that still looks good on medium settings :)

Imho, buying a gtx970 or a r9 390 only to play WoW is a waste of money, a mid range gpu like the r9 280 is enough to enjoy the game in good conditions.
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Posted 01 August 2015 - 12:00 PM

Yeah with max settings and filters enabled WoW is a demanding game but If you agree to make some graphic concessions you can run it [email protected] even with a 400€ poorman's build like a g3258+radeon r7 250x. Luckily for the poor ppl, wow is a game that still looks good on medium settings :)

Imho, buying a gtx970 or a r9 390 only to play WoW is a waste of money, a mid range gpu like the r9 280 is enough to enjoy the game in good conditions.


he bought a 144hz monitor so he needs 150 fps to take advantage of it.
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#12 glonglon

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Posted 01 August 2015 - 12:05 PM

he bought a 144hz monitor so he needs 150 fps to take advantage of it.


he never said that he bought a 144hz monitor :)
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Posted 05 August 2015 - 12:18 AM

I wouldn't get ssd for my build. then again I use $10 power supplies so who am I, a fucking peasant, to dictate the glorious race of sheep.

Here, I can build a 3 times cheaper rig that will perform 2 times OP posted. It is a number's game...



almost 900 usd for a pc that was techically made in china h3333333333333333h :duckers: :duckers: :duckers: :duckers: :duckers:
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