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#41 Malladon

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Posted 28 June 2015 - 03:39 AM

I'd highly recommend trying out nightstalker

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Posted 28 June 2015 - 04:21 AM

I don't get it? Is that dfa and nightsalker stacking? I thought that wasn't possible?
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Posted 28 June 2015 - 04:25 AM

You're correct, they cannot stack. The above SS is just DFA w/Vendetta up (and trinkets). The sad part is with nightstalker, the modifiers are exactly the same. So this can feasibly happen twice in a row

should also mention i was playing prey on the weak here

Edited by Malladon, 28 June 2015 - 04:29 AM.

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#44 Sniz

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Posted 28 June 2015 - 05:08 AM

Awesome damage, but do you think two 170 ks in a row would be better then say a 170 k followed by a 120 k with the extra cc from subterfuge?
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Posted 28 June 2015 - 05:52 AM

I'd highly recommend trying out nightstalker

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To be honest, I don't see how beating two people in Skirms in the opener to be proof of concept :P No one can deny that you did a ton of damage right there, but the rogue could have just as easily Trink+Cloak'd or Trink+Smoke Bomb'd to bug DFA. Or in this case, the mage could've just... Ice Blocked if he saw Vendetta... Clearing the buff/etc.

I mean... it'd be the same as me showing how I did more damage than a Hunter with Shuriken Toss + Deadly Throw.

I don't think anyone is going to deny that Nightstalker is INCREDIBLE at doing damage, but I think people would be more curious about how practical it actually is.

vs. a 300 rated rogue and a mage that's never been above 1500, I think it's a poor way to decide if a talent is really good :P

That damage is retarded tho.

EDIT: The point is, I wouldn't just sit there and let you do that lol.

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Posted 28 June 2015 - 01:14 PM

vs. a 300 rated rogue and a mage that's never been above 1500, I think it's a poor way to decide if a talent is really good :P

That damage is retarded tho.

EDIT: The point is, I wouldn't just sit there and let you do that lol.


Oh no, don't misinterpret me. I'm not calling this proof of concept. I'm just saying you should enjoy yourself a good laugh or two before this goes away, because it is in fact retarded and shouldn't be in the game and is hopefully going away soon

For practicality, muti's damage is solid enough that you wouldn't need this combo in particular to force cooldowns and get someone into a bad position to pull off some form of this. Or you can use it to guarantee defensive CD usage and then have your partner follow up next time with their offensives + smokebomb.

TLDR: Go do some big dmg and have a good laugh, hopefully hotfixed before season starts
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Posted 28 June 2015 - 02:58 PM

balanced damage
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Posted 28 June 2015 - 03:44 PM

Oh no, don't misinterpret me. I'm not calling this proof of concept. I'm just saying you should enjoy yourself a good laugh or two before this goes away, because it is in fact retarded and shouldn't be in the game and is hopefully going away soon

For practicality, muti's damage is solid enough that you wouldn't need this combo in particular to force cooldowns and get someone into a bad position to pull off some form of this. Or you can use it to guarantee defensive CD usage and then have your partner follow up next time with their offensives + smokebomb.

TLDR: Go do some big dmg and have a good laugh, hopefully hotfixed before season starts


Phew, I'm glad you didn't take offense to my last post. Thought I was coming off as a douche.

I'm not sure if Mutilate is gonna get nerfed tho. Maybe, maybe not... I guess time will tell.
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Posted 28 June 2015 - 04:34 PM

its probably gonna be nerfed, lets just enjoy the ride while it lasts
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Posted 28 June 2015 - 10:00 PM

If they do need to nerf it I hope it's in regard to vendetta, because the constant pressure feels perfect.
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Posted 28 June 2015 - 10:03 PM

Mutilate feels really boring and even more gimmicky than combat tbh. Don´t like it at all and it was my favorite spec through entire TBC and wotlk.
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Posted 29 June 2015 - 01:26 AM

Awesome damage, but do you think two 170 ks in a row would be better then say a 170 k followed by a 120 k with the extra cc from subterfuge?


If you want the extra CC you can just Cheap Shot or Garrote out of the Vanish and then Envenom, dealing the same amount of damage as you would with Subterfuge. Majority of the Assa Rogues I see playing Subterfuge aren't using Vanishes for CC but for damage, so subterfuge looks like a waste when you can do the same shit with both talents practically.
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Posted 29 June 2015 - 01:27 AM

Mutilate feels really boring and even more gimmicky than combat tbh. Don´t like it at all and it was my favorite spec through entire TBC and wotlk.


I can't help but 100% believe this.

It feels clunky and awkard. It feels like the "arcane" of Rogue to me.

oh well, hopefully it's not so gimmicky that everyone is forced to play it.
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Posted 29 June 2015 - 07:07 AM

If you want the extra CC you can just Cheap Shot or Garrote out of the Vanish and then Envenom, dealing the same amount of damage as you would with Subterfuge. Majority of the Assa Rogues I see playing Subterfuge aren't using Vanishes for CC but for damage, so subterfuge looks like a waste when you can do the same shit with both talents practically.


But you can't half cheap envenom then garrote or garrote open envenom then cheap, plus it removes the ability to nerve strike peel multiple classes during bg cds. Also it might just be because im bad but I love being able to still get an opener if I get knocked out of stealth, makes me feel much less inclined to commit suicide. Basically I always try to cheap out of a vanish for prey on the weak and if you're doing that then your wasting nightstalker, I guess nightstalker would work if you use it into a kidney but then your back to your one trick pwny situation. But if you really think it's better maybe I should try it out a bit more!
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Posted 29 June 2015 - 11:49 AM

While people are actively posting in this, what's everyone's thoughts on Nightstalker for Mutilate at the moment?

In theory Shadow Focus is more damage than Nightstalker, due to energy savings translating to another mutilate (SF also allows you to use Sap/BoS/Blind from Stealth and still open with full energy). Nightstalker just offers a tidbit more mobility to compensate.

Nightstalker is nice for RBGs or farming. In Arenas, maybe if you want that extra speed boost to stop a Warlock Gateway cast at the start or like to catch people out of position.

Subterfuge still hides the Rogue for 3 seconds, so with it you get a solid package of (much-needed) survivability, utility and opener insurance. Personally, I really like NS but it seems like a bit of a noob trap, especially since DFA is the current flavor (you get that little extra "oomph" and mobility from DFA, which in my eyes makes NS less valuable).
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Posted 29 June 2015 - 12:53 PM

In theory Shadow Focus is more damage than Nightstalker, due to energy savings translating to another mutilate (SF also allows you to use Sap/BoS/Blind from Stealth and still open with full energy). Nightstalker just offers a tidbit more mobility to compensate.

Nightstalker is nice for RBGs or farming. In Arenas, maybe if you want that extra speed boost to stop a Warlock Gateway cast at the start or like to catch people out of position.

Subterfuge still hides the Rogue for 3 seconds, so with it you get a solid package of (much-needed) survivability, utility and opener insurance. Personally, I really like NS but it seems like a bit of a noob trap, especially since DFA is the current flavor (you get that little extra "oomph" and mobility from DFA, which in my eyes makes NS less valuable).



you seem to talk about pve, if you talk about shadow focus beein more dmg than nightstalker
this is pvp, its all about the berst
wombo combo = vendetta -> mfd -> dfa -> vanish -> envenom

its retarded dmg, the second envenom hits as hard as the dfa one, so you can mongo someone who is careless
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Posted 29 June 2015 - 09:05 PM

Phew, I'm glad you didn't take offense to my last post. Thought I was coming off as a douche.

I'm not sure if Mutilate is gonna get nerfed tho. Maybe, maybe not... I guess time will tell.

DON'T YOU LIE ON TO INNOCENT PEOPLE YOU BIG LOVEABLE BEAR
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Posted 30 June 2015 - 12:09 AM

All three are retarded, take a pick for great success.
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Posted 30 June 2015 - 12:19 AM

All three are retarded, take a pick for great success.

You could of just quoted this from somebody asking what spec to play on shaman fourms in mop.
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Posted 30 June 2015 - 12:31 AM

You could of just quoted this from somebody asking what spec to play on shaman fourms in mop.


Not exactly the same to compare it straight up, since shamans have 1 caster spec, 1 healing spec, 1 meele spec.
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