Jump to content

Photo

6.2 DK changes & discussion thread.


  • Please log in to reply
153 replies to this topic

#41 hippocongruency

hippocongruency
  • Junkies
  • Humanclass_name
  • EU-Defias Brotherhood
  • Rampage / Saccage
  • Posts: 54
  • Talents: Frost 1/0/2/2/0/2/2
  • 2v2: 2606
  • 3v3: 2652
  • RBG: 576

Posted 09 May 2015 - 02:26 AM

So how will these changes affect our stat priority for 2H Frost? Will it still be Vers>Haste >> Everything else or will we see Mastery place a little higher? If DW Frost becomes viable again what the stat weights look like for that?

I don't think it'd change anything for 2H Frost, except Mastery might actually become better than MS instead of being about equal. As for DW I guess it'd be Mastery > Versa > Multistrike > Haste > Crit or would Versa be better than Mastery? And would Haste actually be decent for DW now?

Also would like to know if the playstyle I suggested earlier would be a real thing - what gear do we need? Do we go for 4pc - pretty much all Unholy gear or still go for our usual 2h gear?

If you don't have to wait for the passive to activate anymore

Everytime I test it it works, and i've tested it alot
  • 0

#42 Forumz

Forumz
  • Junkies
  • Humanclass_name
  • EU-Argent Dawn
  • Cataclysme / Cataclysm
  • Posts: 3,141
  • Talents: Shadow 2/1/1/1/./.
  • 2v2: 2728
  • 3v3: 2279
  • 5v5: 96
  • RBG: 768

Posted 09 May 2015 - 10:58 AM

I don't think it'd change anything for 2H Frost, except Mastery might actually become better than MS instead of being about equal. As for DW I guess it'd be Mastery > Versa > Multistrike > Haste > Crit or would Versa be better than Mastery? And would Haste actually be decent for DW now?

Also would like to know if the playstyle I suggested earlier would be a real thing - what gear do we need? Do we go for 4pc - pretty much all Unholy gear or still go for our usual 2h gear?

Everytime I test it it works, and i've tested it alot

I reckon we should go with Versatility=Mastery>the rest in that specific playstyle. That would give you the most burst damage as 2H with Breath, while also giving you greater sustain as DW.

You could also play with Necrotic Plague. It's incredibly easy to spread around as DW.
  • 0
Posted Image

#43 Damaskinos

Damaskinos
  • Junkies
  • Humanclass_name
  • EU-Outland
  • Misery
  • Posts: 38
  • Talents: Blood 0/2/0/0/2/2
  • RBG: 1734
  • LocationGermany

Posted 09 May 2015 - 12:46 PM

About the Might of the Frozen passive:

What I had tested (on the Gladiator Sanctum Dummy!) and find out:

When you switch infight from 2H to DW you get your offhand weapon hitting. When you switch from DW to 2H your whitehits hit like they are supposed to hit.

But!

When you do switch between DW and 2H infight:
The bonus damage on Obliterates (2H) and Froststrikes (DW) takes 30 seconds to apply.

When you switch out of fight, the bonus is instantly present:

Have fun verifying...
  • 0

#44 Forumz

Forumz
  • Junkies
  • Humanclass_name
  • EU-Argent Dawn
  • Cataclysme / Cataclysm
  • Posts: 3,141
  • Talents: Shadow 2/1/1/1/./.
  • 2v2: 2728
  • 3v3: 2279
  • 5v5: 96
  • RBG: 768

Posted 09 May 2015 - 12:56 PM

About the Might of the Frozen passive:

What I had tested (on the Gladiator Sanctum Dummy!) and find out:

When you switch infight from 2H to DW you get your offhand weapon hitting. When you switch from DW to 2H your whitehits hit like they are supposed to hit.

But!

When you do switch between DW and 2H infight:
The bonus damage on Obliterates (2H) and Froststrikes (DW) takes 30 seconds to apply.

When you switch out of fight, the bonus is instantly present:

Have fun verifying...


While wacking a dummy myself: sometimes it does, and sometimes it doesn't.

It seems pretty random. Still exploitable with DW multiple enchants. Enchant 2H with Razorice, Enchant DW with Razorice and Fallen Crusader. 10% more frost damage on Breath (jk bugged).

Edited by Forumz, 09 May 2015 - 12:57 PM.

  • 0
Posted Image

#45 hippocongruency

hippocongruency
  • Junkies
  • Humanclass_name
  • EU-Defias Brotherhood
  • Rampage / Saccage
  • Posts: 54
  • Talents: Frost 1/0/2/2/0/2/2
  • 2v2: 2606
  • 3v3: 2652
  • RBG: 576

Posted 10 May 2015 - 12:43 AM

When you do switch between DW and 2H infight:
The bonus damage on Obliterates (2H) and Froststrikes (DW) takes 30 seconds to apply.

When you switch out of fight, the bonus is instantly present:

Have fun verifying...

I have tried everything, and for me it seems to actually work all the time
  • 0

#46 Forumz

Forumz
  • Junkies
  • Humanclass_name
  • EU-Argent Dawn
  • Cataclysme / Cataclysm
  • Posts: 3,141
  • Talents: Shadow 2/1/1/1/./.
  • 2v2: 2728
  • 3v3: 2279
  • 5v5: 96
  • RBG: 768

Posted 10 May 2015 - 11:14 AM

Testing again:

2H equipped before hitting the dummy (long before): ~34.5k Obliterate crit (no cds ofc).
Starting with DW, then switching to 2H after wacking the dummy for a bit: ~34.5k Obliterate crit.

DW equipped before hitting the dummy (long before): ~15k MH, 7.5k OH Frost Strike crit.
Starting with 2H, then switching to DW after wacking the dummy for a bit: ~10k MH, 5k OH Frost Strike crit.

testing again:

Starting with DW, then switching to 2H: 24.1k Obliterate crit.


It seems kinda random.
  • 0
Posted Image

#47 ijustdontknowwhattodo

ijustdontknowwhattodo
  • Members
  • Posts: 34

Posted 26 May 2015 - 04:55 PM

Hey guys, I was planning to play frost dk next patch, however, i've been concerned about these changes, i mean, the glyph removed is fine, since we have necrotic plague, but what about the obliterate nerf? are 2h frost still strong next patch? do you plan to be playing this spec, because i dont like dw =(

Can anyone give me a direction here? <3
  • 0

#48 commandchild

commandchild
  • Members
  • Humanclass_name
  • US-Darkspear
  • Cyclone
  • Posts: 10
  • Talents: Unholy 2/2/0/2/0/0/0
  • 2v2: 1646
  • RBG: 1623

Posted 26 May 2015 - 09:23 PM

Hey guys, I was planning to play frost dk next patch, however, i've been concerned about these changes, i mean, the glyph removed is fine, since we have necrotic plague, but what about the obliterate nerf? are 2h frost still strong next patch? do you plan to be playing this spec, because i dont like dw =(

Can anyone give me a direction here? <3


Breath will still be competitive next season even without the glyph. Also the math on the Obliterate change works out to a 4% nerf (80% of 120% is 94% of live value) which means instead of KM Obliterating people for 60k you'll now be hitting them for 57-58k.

I could see DW being a thing in duels or maybe in BGs where Unholy Timmy dies all the time but I believe 2H Frost and UH will still be the go-to specs over DW, especially in arena.
  • 1

#49 sarma

sarma
  • Junkies
  • Blood Elfclass_name
  • EU-Sylvanas
  • Rampage / Saccage
  • Posts: 531
  • Talents: Unholy 1/2/2/1/1/2/2
  • 2v2: 1563
  • 3v3: 2260
  • RBG: 768
  • LocationSerbia

Posted 01 June 2015 - 09:18 PM

http://www.wowwiki.com/Desecration


Posted Image
  • 0
Posted Image

#50 Piglips

Piglips
  • Junkies
  • Posts: 109

Posted 03 June 2015 - 12:46 PM

http://www.wowwiki.com/Desecration

Please.


Oh, the joy, Remember http://wowwiki.wikia...orpse_Explosion Did damage? #dkglad2s lol
  • 0

#51 a1entity

a1entity
  • Junkies
  • Humanclass_name
  • US-Kel'Thuzad
  • Nightfall
  • Posts: 415
  • Talents: Unholy 1/2/1/1/1/2/2
  • 2v2: 1666
  • 3v3: 1893
  • 5v5: 1940
  • RBG: 960

Posted 03 June 2015 - 02:28 PM

Missing wolk cata a lot. I stopped playing even my loved class DK in WOD. Such hopes for WOD and such disappointment. At this point i would take MOP back ,at least classes had buttons to press.
  • 0

#52 Fennixqt

Fennixqt
  • Junkies
  • Draeneiclass_name
  • EU-Stormscale
  • Cyclone / Wirbelsturm
  • Posts: 62
  • Talents: Unholy 1/2/1/1/1/1/2
  • 2v2: 1199
  • 3v3: 2729
  • RBG: 1335

Posted 03 June 2015 - 04:08 PM

Unholy & Frost
  • Unholy Aura Increases the haste of all party and raid members within 100 yards by 5%, and their Versatility by 3%. Death Knight - Frost & Unholy Spec. Unholy & Frost Spec.

More reason to bring DK to the team in arena

Posted Image
  • 0

#53 sarma

sarma
  • Junkies
  • Blood Elfclass_name
  • EU-Sylvanas
  • Rampage / Saccage
  • Posts: 531
  • Talents: Unholy 1/2/2/1/1/2/2
  • 2v2: 1563
  • 3v3: 2260
  • RBG: 768
  • LocationSerbia

Posted 05 June 2015 - 10:29 AM

Cata ams glyph is back boys

Posted Image
  • 0
Posted Image

#54 Forumz

Forumz
  • Junkies
  • Humanclass_name
  • EU-Argent Dawn
  • Cataclysme / Cataclysm
  • Posts: 3,141
  • Talents: Shadow 2/1/1/1/./.
  • 2v2: 2728
  • 3v3: 2279
  • 5v5: 96
  • RBG: 768

Posted 05 June 2015 - 05:43 PM

inb4 forums explode with whining about 8 second magic immunity on the anti-caster class.

Edited by Forumz, 05 June 2015 - 05:43 PM.

  • 0
Posted Image

#55 Forumz

Forumz
  • Junkies
  • Humanclass_name
  • EU-Argent Dawn
  • Cataclysme / Cataclysm
  • Posts: 3,141
  • Talents: Shadow 2/1/1/1/./.
  • 2v2: 2728
  • 3v3: 2279
  • 5v5: 96
  • RBG: 768

Posted 06 June 2015 - 04:50 PM

Frost
  • Howling Blast now scales with 144.45% of AP, up from 115.56% of AP and 57.8% of AP.
  • Might of the Frozen Wastes - now dual-wielding increases Frost Strike damage by 100%, up from 50%.
  • Threat of Thassarian - When dual-wielding, your Death Strikes, Obliterates, Plague Strikes, and Frost Strikes also deal damage with your off-hand weapon, and your Frost Strike damage is increased by 100%, up from 50%.
--------------------------------------------------------------

Might and Threat are both in there because of datamining errors I assume. It's only applied to Threat of Thassarian I'm sure. Howling Blast dealing 25% more damage (it's precisely 25% more) is nice as well.

Looks like Dual Wield will be pretty good next patch if these changes go through.

Edited by Forumz, 06 June 2015 - 04:57 PM.

  • 0
Posted Image

#56 Jinngo

Jinngo
  • Junkies
  • Humanclass_name
  • EU-Outland
  • Misery
  • Posts: 541
  • Talents: Frost 1/0/1/0/1/2/0
  • 2v2: 1235
  • 3v3: 2434
  • RBG: 576

Posted 06 June 2015 - 07:34 PM

Frost

  • Howling Blast now scales with 144.45% of AP, up from 115.56% of AP and 57.8% of AP.
  • Might of the Frozen Wastes - now dual-wielding increases Frost Strike damage by 100%, up from 50%.
  • Threat of Thassarian - When dual-wielding, your Death Strikes, Obliterates, Plague Strikes, and Frost Strikes also deal damage with your off-hand weapon, and your Frost Strike damage is increased by 100%, up from 50%.
--------------------------------------------------------------

Might and Threat are both in there because of datamining errors I assume. It's only applied to Threat of Thassarian I'm sure. Howling Blast dealing 25% more damage (it's precisely 25% more) is nice as well.

Looks like Dual Wield will be pretty good next patch if these changes go through.

So hyped for this, nice with a change.
  • 0

#57 Fennixqt

Fennixqt
  • Junkies
  • Draeneiclass_name
  • EU-Stormscale
  • Cyclone / Wirbelsturm
  • Posts: 62
  • Talents: Unholy 1/2/1/1/1/1/2
  • 2v2: 1199
  • 3v3: 2729
  • RBG: 1335

Posted 09 June 2015 - 04:48 PM

Frost

  • Howling Blast now scales with 144.45% of AP, up from 115.56% of AP and 57.8% of AP.
  • Might of the Frozen Wastes - now dual-wielding increases Frost Strike damage by 100%, up from 50%.
  • Threat of Thassarian - When dual-wielding, your Death Strikes, Obliterates, Plague Strikes, and Frost Strikes also deal damage with your off-hand weapon, and your Frost Strike damage is increased by 100%, up from 50%.
--------------------------------------------------------------

Might and Threat are both in there because of datamining errors I assume. It's only applied to Threat of Thassarian I'm sure. Howling Blast dealing 25% more damage (it's precisely 25% more) is nice as well.

Looks like Dual Wield will be pretty good next patch if these changes go through.


damn I could actually play frost if I was DW. If they give some good racial to unded could even start playing again, or just tmorph :duckers:
  • 0

#58 SquintzPalladoris

SquintzPalladoris

Posted 09 June 2015 - 07:48 PM

From what little bit of testing I was able to do on PTR today, DW looks a bit better than 2h damage wise. Tried swapping 2h/DW during combat, sometimes the bonus would be delayed-sometimes it would not so pretty inconsistent.
Tried speccing Breath with 2h macroed into it, Even with full RP Breath was immediately cancelled as soon as the weapons swapped.

DW, is pretty faceroll even compared to 2h. You can use KM procs on Oblit or FS and not waste damage waiting on RP/Runes. FS His harder as DW than Oblit as 2h. KM Procs all day.

If these changes go through DW should be in a good place. I'll play around a bit more when PTR is back up.

EDIT: This was done with no Vers gear, only gear available from the Vendor on PTR. Both DW (Mastery with 4 set) and 2H(Vers no bonus) will get better with the proper stats attached to them.
  • 0

#59 SquintzPalladoris

SquintzPalladoris

Posted 10 June 2015 - 11:02 PM

Breath is currently bugged on the PTR. It will sometimes go off and keep going as long as you have RP to feed it. Most of the time it bugs and cancels itself after the 1st tick even with full RP.
  • 0

#60 Ownu

Ownu
  • Locationcal

Posted 11 June 2015 - 12:22 AM

So, i feel like DW might be better than 2h, as far as frost goes. However, i still think Unholy will be better than DW frost, especially since they're the same niche
  • 0




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

<