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#1 WotLKHero

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Posted 24 March 2015 - 11:17 PM

Hey guys,

this question is mainly for Chanimalz and Wallirikz, cause I've seen you argue about it in another thread, although there was no clear outcome... Several questions:

1) Is it correct, that PvE gear with an ilvl>690 scales down to 680 now instead of 690, post-6.1?

2) If yes, does the stage 3 version of the legendary questline ring keep its proc when scaling down to 680? Or does the proc even work in PvP?

3) If it does NOT keep the proc, and/or the proc doesn't work in PvP, would that make the stage 3 and stage 2 versions equally good in a PvP environent?

4) Following the stat priority for: UALocks, Int > Haste (only SLIGHTLY) > Mastery > Versatility > Multistrike > Crit

Would 680 pve gear with top stats be better than poorly itemized pvp gear even though you lose 10 ilvls worth of Int? I'm having an especially hard time deciding on it when it comes to pvp items that have 1 good and 1 bad secondary stat on them (for example: a pve item with vers/mastery (legendary ring e.g.) vs a pvp item with haste/crit or mastery/crit)...

I hope my questions were clear to understand and that you (or anyone else for that matter) can help me with a qualified answer. Already thanks in advance.
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#2 Zzx

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Posted 24 March 2015 - 11:39 PM

hm odd stance you're taking sart i remember a thread where you called chanimals a 'fucking dipshit'

http://www.arenajunk...__sart__st__280

thread is a good read from here

http://www.arenajunk...__sart__st__160

pve gear scales to 680

there are very few items from pve which are better, there is a couple mastery rings if you're playing mastery

the proc does not work in pvp

chanimals already answered this question in the second thread on this forum, behind yours

Haste > Mastery > Versatility >>> Multistrike >= Crit

*Haste slightly favoured over mastery
*I choose to break 4pc, up to you. Always use haste/vers helm regardless of what you do.

Neck:
Mast/Multi (gives more mastery than the Haste/crit one gives haste)

Shoulders:
Vers / Mastery (mastery/vers trumps haste / multistrike. multistrike sucks absolute ass compared to vers, and mastery is close to haste

Chest:
Haste/Mastery

Gloves:
Haste/Mastery (for 2pc)

Legs:
Mastery/Multi (for 2pc)

Belt:
Vers/Mastery (same logic as shoulders)

Ring:

idk, difference is super small here any way, if you cba to farm the ring just use haste/crit and haste/multi. If you use the PvE ring, use it with the haste/multi one.


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#3 WotLKHero

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Posted 24 March 2015 - 11:50 PM

Should've clarified:

Qualified answer = answer + proof to back it up. There has to be a "scientific" (in lack of a better word) way to determine that sacrificing X Int for Y Vers/Mastery is a good deal or not.

At least I hope there is?
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#4 Dizzeeyo

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Posted 24 March 2015 - 11:53 PM

hm odd stance you're taking sart i remember a thread where you called chanimals a 'fucking dipshit'

which is virtually nothing compared to some of the random shit you post

Should've clarified:

Qualified answer = answer + proof to back it up. There has to be a "scientific" (in lack of a better word) way to determine that sacrificing X Int for Y Vers/Mastery is a good deal or not.

At least I hope there is?

google statweights :)

Edited by Dizzeeyo, 24 March 2015 - 11:54 PM.

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Posted 24 March 2015 - 11:58 PM

which is virtually nothing compared to some of the random shit you post


which is virtually nothing compared to some of the random shit you post
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#6 WotLKHero

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 12:03 AM

google statweights :)


stat weights dont really apply for pvp though, do they? crit/multi have reduced effects, versa has a higher value due to dmg reduction, you have to consider cc/peels/holding back cds to set up kills, etc.
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#7 Chanimal

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 01:47 AM

just copy this http://us.battle.net...nelock/advanced

i decided against using pve gear because i had mastery enchants on them and i lost too much haste, thought i was lagging and it was pissing me off

maybe its slightly better to use pve gear, but anyway the difference is so minimal it really doesn't matter. ring doesn't proc in arena as well.

side note: i posted vers shoulders / set legs were better, but vers legs / set shoulders are better (legs have more vers/mastery than shoulders with vers/mastery)

Edited by Chanimal, 25 March 2015 - 01:49 AM.

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#8 Fakalock

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 07:52 AM

Only thing i dare to awnser here is the ring, as Chanimal said it does not proc in pvp. And if u can keep it up to date with current ilvl of pvp gear it is better (I asked wallirikz on his stream). Mainly cause crit on the 2nd pvp ring is crap compaired to mastery/vers as u got on the ledgendary ring.
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#9 Nooborghini

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 02:53 AM

Question, with double proc trinks:


Would you use them at once or would you proc them per dark soul?

Example:

1st DS - Double on-use trinket

2nd DS - No on-use trinket

OR

1 DS - 1 On-use

2nd DS - 1 On-use


If so, why?
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#10 Knaittiz

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 03:31 AM

Question, with double proc trinks:


Would you use them at once or would you proc them per dark soul?

Example:

1st DS - Double on-use trinket

2nd DS - No on-use trinket

OR

1 DS - 1 On-use

2nd DS - 1 On-use


If so, why?

The latter.

Why? Because you can't use both of them at the same time, it triggers a 20 second cooldown when you use one :P

Edited by Knaittiz, 27 March 2015 - 03:32 AM.

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#11 Nooborghini

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Posted 31 March 2015 - 10:27 PM

The latter.

Why? Because you can't use both of them at the same time, it triggers a 20 second cooldown when you use one :P


Oh jeez I feel retarded I forgot 20 second cd on the trinkets.

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#12 hippocongruency

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 01:15 AM

I too have a question for Wallirikz and Chanimals

whos the better lock??
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#13 Dills

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 01:16 AM

I too have a question for Wallirikz and Chanimals

whos the better lock??


It doesn't matter
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#14 hippocongruency

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Posted 01 April 2015 - 01:28 AM

It doesn't matter

it actually matters the most
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