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#81 Flakkar

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Posted 19 January 2015 - 05:57 PM

IF i using dualwield and most of my dmg is from FS, stil my secondary stat is haste or mastery will be bether ?


Depends on the ratio. Multiply your frost damage percentage by 18.18 and if you get more than 13.8 it's better than haste.
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Posted 19 January 2015 - 10:06 PM

Depends on the ratio. Multiply your frost damage percentage by 18.18 and if you get more than 13.8 it's better than haste.

You don't really need math for this tbh. Some common sense will show that Dual Wield gets most of its damage from Howling Blast and Frost Strike, which are both pure Frost damage, so mastery is superior to everything else for sure.

My guess is that Multistrike is also better than Haste because DW has a lot less downtime than 2H.

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 01:41 AM

You don't really need math for this tbh. Some common sense will show that Dual Wield gets most of its damage from Howling Blast and Frost Strike, which are both pure Frost damage, so mastery is superior to everything else for sure.

My guess is that Multistrike is also better than Haste because DW has a lot less downtime than 2H.


Mastery does indeed seem very good for DW, though I think Haste is still a little better sustain and utility.

I'm not so sure about the downtime part though. MS is really gimped in pvp, and Haste is really good now. There doesn't seem to be a difference in runes or RP availability between 2h and DW, so I don't see why DW would have less downtime. They would both benefit equally from Haste as far as I can tell.

Overall I'm pretty underwhelmed by DW though. The fact that you have to spend Rime procs on Icy Touch, and those procs don't even generate RP really hurts. That means you have to use Oblit to get more procs since Howling Blast itself does pitiful damage, and mastery doesn't help the situation.

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Posted 20 January 2015 - 10:03 AM

Yeah ofc, Dual Wield sucks compared to the other specs, but that's besides the point really.
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Posted 20 January 2015 - 11:37 AM

Don't really know why anyone would go DW when you can do 80k+ obliterates with a 2H...
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#86 Hideaki

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Posted 23 January 2015 - 02:59 PM

Can anyone share a good opening as frost? Since I always played UH, I always feel like I could do better as frost.
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Posted 24 January 2015 - 04:03 AM

Can anyone share a good opening as frost? Since I always played UH, I always feel like I could do better as frost.


A good opener? Theres not much to it, chains and/or outbreak while running over then full on obliterates, pop CDs as appropriate.
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#88 Hideaki

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Posted 26 January 2015 - 11:12 AM

A good opener? Theres not much to it, chains and/or outbreak while running over then full on obliterates, pop CDs as appropriate.


After playing a few matches I realized it was that simple - I am sorry for the silly question.
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Posted 03 February 2015 - 09:02 AM

Its just a request, but any chance you can whip up some Unholy Stat math? I'd love to see how things calculate out
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Posted 04 February 2015 - 05:44 PM

I can try this weekend. I don't normally play unholy but I'll try and put something together. If I do, it will be a new post to try and keep the discussion from getting confusing.
If anyone wants to help, you can PM me some data you collect about how much damage comes from each source as unholy since it will be super helpful in determining the stat priority.
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Posted 05 February 2015 - 04:04 AM

My DK has 660 unholy gear and I think every piece is optimal so send me a pm if you want me to help
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Posted 06 February 2015 - 08:55 PM

I'm seeing from other sites saying Multistrike can help proc Killing Machine, inspite of official posts denying this. Is this perhaps why some sites put higher priority on MS? Has anyone tested this?
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Posted 06 February 2015 - 10:12 PM

Multistrike whitehits don't actually count as another whitehit mechanics-wise, so they cannot proc Killing Machine.

If they do (which I doubt), then that is a bug and it will undoubtedly be fixed once Blizzard finds out.

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 01:09 AM

So is there a consensus as to why all the top DKs are going Versatility over Haste, when Flakkar has shown the math for Haste to be superior?
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Posted 07 February 2015 - 01:35 AM

So is there a consensus as to why all the top DKs are going Versatility over Haste, when Flakkar has shown the math for Haste to be superior?


I've been trying to figure this out for weeks, but I can't.
My only guess is because Vers affects heavy oblit burst when you pop ERW, and haste doesn't.
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Posted 07 February 2015 - 10:29 AM

Versatility directly affects burst, and burst is what kills things in the current meta. Haste only increases your sustained pressure.
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Posted 07 February 2015 - 05:47 PM

Versatility directly affects burst, and burst is what kills things in the current meta. Haste only increases your sustained pressure.


This, and when you need the runes to burst you should always have enough if you are playing it right (pooling runes / runic power and having plague leech / empower rune weapon ready to go).
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#98 Stratos

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 09:27 PM

So is there a consensus as to why all the top DKs are going Versatility over Haste, when Flakkar has shown the math for Haste to be superior?


A frost dk in pvp is no where near GCD capped, in addition you need the defensive part of versa to handle rot comps and prevent switches.

Especially since the statweights are so close between the two. 3.4 vs 3.12

http://sonofalich.co...c.php?f=10&t=57
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Posted 11 February 2015 - 06:17 PM

I am torn between what gear I should be getting for 2v2 and 2v2 Arena's for my Frost DK. Seems like most people are staying away from the 2-4 sets and going with Revered gear.


Can and experienced DK (or someone who knows) shed some light on stat priority and what I need to have to be competitive for 2000+ ratings?

Is haste still the way to go???
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Posted 11 February 2015 - 08:06 PM

Haste is very good and you should have at least 30% once fully geared. That said, being competitive for 2k+ is more dependent on your ilvl and personal skill than these small secondary stat optimizations.

I did put recommended gear in my OP and it hasn't changed. You can also look up the top dks in the 3v3 ladder and you'll see they gear almost exactly the same.
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