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#41 Blakexo

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 11:32 AM

Well if you touched me I guess I would be touched by a bad mistweaver.


was really hoping for a touch of death joke.

nb4 they nerf that for mw
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#42 ottishen

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 11:47 AM

Holy shit, people are really ignoring the point. Yes, meeles are incredibly powerful. Yes, Hunters have instant traps. Yes, Priests are very strong atm (not as much after the nerfs to Silence though).

None of these are arguments in favour of keeping Life Cocoon on a 1 min cooldown, only arguments to nerf all the other stuff too. I agree that the short cooldown is needed in order to survive against meeles currently, but it is actually retarded how I ALWAYS have Life Cocoon against any setup based comp when they have cooldowns. And as setup based comps are the most fun to both play and face, can we please not make them non-viable by having spells like Life Cocoon on a 55 second cooldown? Compensate somewhere else (some sort of dispel protection on Enveloping maybe?) and stop trying to defend a broken ability by pointing out other broken shit.
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#43 Verelea

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 01:25 PM

So you want to nerf the only thing keeping them viable? k
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#44 dTaler

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 01:36 PM

Take it up with the feral and hunter then, I don't see the point of the rest of playerbase suffering just because you suffer against few specific comps.

Just because one character has a disengage, it doesn't mean that every character should get a gap closer. Likewise, just because one or few comps can chew through your defensive cooldown, it doesn't mean it should stay in a potential OP state for every other comp in the game. Your one minute cooldown COUNTERS every single team that has to coordinate burst, and means nothing against passive damage teams, you really prefer it that way ?

OK, but mw need huge buff (strong dispell protection/ some instant casts/damage reduce like priests or druids), if blizzard nerf cocoon. ATM if I don't cocoon/trinket stun vs double melee, they kill me (even if my war shockwave both)
Same vs feral-random class or combat rogue-randomclass.
Actually nerf cocoon equals "pls delete mw from arena"
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#45 AlcaMage

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 02:12 PM

imagine guardian spirit or painsup or spirit link on a 1 minute cooldown

the problem isnt life cocoon itself its the stupid burst windows you are forced into nowadays, especially as mage or dance rogue

for example you practically cant kill any pets as mage anymore since you cant waste your main damage spell being on a long cooldown on them and your frostbolts dont do enough damage anymore.

either buff sustained damage (and maybe nerf the burst alongside it what every mage wants anways) for some classes or nerf life cocoon and give something else against melee cleav comps (something like focused will or so)


but there is so many dumb shit in the game right now, you cant take something out atm, it instantly makes or breaks a class or comp
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#46 Theopt

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 03:37 PM

you guys talking about what? never seen such thing in arenas...
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#47 Siuox

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 03:53 PM

russian + monk - probably sad that heal orbs are gone :diamond:
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#48 Ysteria

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 04:12 PM

Just wanted to thank Lolflay for this post.

I'm gonna start playing my monk again, which i abandoned the first week of the expansion.
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#49 Paxton

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 05:47 PM

It's quite broken and should be removed. Even without the 4pc reduction the cooldown is relatively low. The absurd 55 second CD is making MW viable by covering up the spec's other faults.

I don't like the idea of handing out dispel protection everywhere because offensive dispels are just broken as is and every healer besides hpal is currently needing dispel protection. Offensive dispels all around should just have a 6s cd.

Replace the 4pc bonus with some type of flat% damage reduction provided through something like Expel Harm. It would give the ability some more needed use in arena and could make the glyph viable if the damage reduction could be applied to friendlies as a pseudo mini barkskin.
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#50 whalen43

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 05:53 PM

so much salt priest
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#51 Alidia

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 06:03 PM

russian + monk - probably sad that heal orbs are gone :diamond:


Loled. Ees true.
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#52 Mendicant

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 06:13 PM

The issue is nerfing cocoon and having blizzard give compensation elsewhere.

Making LC 1.30m CD would kill it tbh unless something else is added.
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#53 dTaler

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 08:54 PM

russian + monk - probably sad that heal orbs are gone :diamond:

sad? never used orb bot, but who care.
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#54 Primius

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Posted 02 January 2015 - 05:30 PM

The issue is nerfing cocoon and having blizzard give compensation elsewhere.

Making LC 1.30m CD would kill it tbh unless something else is added.


Problem is these days Blizzard never gives compensation. They were suppose to compensate for orbs but that really didn't happen.
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#55 Maumaux

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Posted 02 January 2015 - 05:34 PM

Problem is these days Blizzard never gives compensation. They were suppose to compensate for orbs but that really didn't happen.

Orbs still heal for a lot don't they? People just have to learn to do what they were meant for and walked over. Which is really RNG but ya I feel ya.
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#56 Primius

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Posted 02 January 2015 - 05:50 PM

Orbs still heal for a lot don't they? People just have to learn to do what they were meant for and walked over. Which is really RNG but ya I feel ya.


I haven't played any arena this season. I had a ton of real life stuff to get done, and had two back to back vacations. So I plan to get back into it next week.

I was in beta for give months, and mastery orbs healed for absolutely nothing at 100. I don't know if that has changed however??? Someone else that is actually playing will have to answer that question.
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#57 Alwaysyoux

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Posted 04 January 2015 - 05:33 AM

I haven't played any arena this season. I had a ton of real life stuff to get done, and had two back to back vacations. So I plan to get back into it next week.

I was in beta for give months, and mastery orbs healed for absolutely nothing at 100. I don't know if that has changed however??? Someone else that is actually playing will have to answer that question.


No they heal for like 10k max kinda trash imo idk they have messed things up to the point that if they nerf coccoon the spec will be destroyed. It is already hard enough being tunneled by every team even casters for 10-15 minutes straight. Literally faced a 2600 god comp yesterday and all the did was run at me the whole game was rough since ice nova is so fucked right now. Oh i can't forget combat rogues being able to killing spree eventho you trinket and max range port yeah makes sense to nerf coccoon people are just complaining about shit because they don't know what the real issues are sadly.
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#58 Jerdn

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Posted 04 January 2015 - 06:56 PM

i feel that if cocoon gets nerfed then MW will need something else (less drastic than 1 min cooldown) to make up for it. We are very squishy even WITH life cocoon. Without life cocoon we GET WRECKED in rated battlegrounds. However, arena it is definitely more OP. So maybe nerf it and give us something else i dunno.
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#59 Shaydd

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Posted 04 January 2015 - 07:47 PM

You got a lot of stuff. I believe nerfing one retard proof ability doesnt make you insta shit spec.
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#60 Schackt

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Posted 04 January 2015 - 08:01 PM

You got a lot of stuff. I believe nerfing one retard proof ability doesnt make you insta shit spec.


Not really. At the moment Life Cocoon makes up for the spec being lacking it it's entirety. It should just be a 2 minute cooldown, instead of 1 minute.
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