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#1 Crackmeyer

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Posted 07 December 2014 - 04:40 AM

Sup guys
I actually enjoy playin combat and I would like to get some advice of more experienced COMBAT
players ( not sub. players who think they know their stuff on combat while they didnt even played it once this expansion )


I think the best 100 talent for combat is shadow reflection. also the best way to use your shadow reflection imo is to increase your 8s kidney .

so my opener on a caster would look like this most of the time : Garrote -> shadow reflection + AR (+ orc racial ) ->Revealing Strike -> Sinister Strike -> SND -> MfD -> Kidney -> do as much dmg as possible w/o using KS with no red buff.
using KS @ the next kidney when red buff is up

any ideas on better openers? for meeles and casters ofc.


you can also use shadow reflection as a + cc but i like it more for that + kidney
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#2 trifezxoxo

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Posted 07 December 2014 - 08:02 PM

my eyes....
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#3 Stealthsultn

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Posted 07 December 2014 - 10:36 PM

Combat is not about trying to blow someone up in the opener (combat openers are bad). You will use same basic openers as sub and muti depending class you are targeting: consult the sticky'd sub guide for those and insert RS for hemo.

On your current opener your blowing shadow reflection, I prefer to save reflection for burst windows to either CC kill target for prey on the weak or CC combo to follow blind on CC target.

If you want to have a harder opener, open with just AR (save trinket/racial for KS). But I prefer to open "soft" with no major CDs and read how the match is going.
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Posted 09 December 2014 - 11:36 PM

You open with AR and revealing strike to build buff. You can have red buff in like 15 seconds. If you need to back off on getting red buff use Revealing Strike instead of Sinister Strike because it doesn't advance Bandits Guile.

You can have Killing spree up in a little over a minute now because of Posted Image Ruthlessness kidneys, DFA Slice and dice all reduce CD of killing spree. If you are doing what your supposed to do as rogue and controlling people in between burst Killing spree can be 1 minute CD.
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#5 Crackmeyer

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 02:51 AM

i just playe some 2s with my priest

shadow reflection is defently not the best talent I prefer Venom Rush now
also i open like this : Garrote -> AR -> Rev. strike -> Sinister -> Kidney -> MfD -> Evis or SnD ( not sure about that yet ) -> keep goin until red buff -> hope for procc trinket -> full kidney + make sure enemys dps is CC`d -> KS -> when kidney goes off my priest goes for a full 5 sec silence

this leads into lots of cooldowns being used by the enemys healer or it might land a kill

btw im 1,9k lr and 2,2k mmr now so it works fine for now :)
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Posted 10 December 2014 - 05:54 PM

Try out DFA also. Its mechanic passive is 50 % extra damage with eviscerate + if you have Red buff that is another 50 % + Revealing strike is passive extra 35%. So topped out that Eviscerate can be 135% more damage.

I use it to get away from CC and get energy because of Ruthleness, if you DFA with 5 combo points after you done you will have full energy again no matter what.

I usually Killing Spree with 5 combo points with Red Buff then DFA after KS over.

DFA also gives you 3 combo points so after that combo 2 SS and you can 8.5 sec kidney someone
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Posted 10 December 2014 - 05:57 PM

Oh to clarify, all Death from above is a flying Eviscerate that does 50 percent more damage and gives you 3 combo points.
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Posted 10 December 2014 - 10:40 PM

i also played Death from above for some games and actually like it because its a really nice gap closer
KS + Death from above is pretty cool because you can not get cc`d during these attacks which is always nice to have

all 3 talents are viable imo.. Venom Rush + haste/Mastery gear + Shadow Focus (Talent ) is pretty decent because combat has
the lowest energy reggen from all 3 speccs. ( off target ).
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Posted 10 December 2014 - 11:13 PM

I can't take this post serious with your picture. Does your shirt have the eve logo on it?
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Posted 10 December 2014 - 11:29 PM

Pro guide to playing combat:

8 second kidney shot someone. Kill them. Get free rank 1.

You're welcome.

Edited by Regent, 10 December 2014 - 11:30 PM.

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#11 Crackmeyer

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Posted 10 December 2014 - 11:37 PM

I can't take this post serious with your picture. Does your shirt have the eve logo on it?


wut?
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Posted 10 December 2014 - 11:47 PM

most importantly... Do you even lift ?
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#13 Crackmeyer

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Posted 11 December 2014 - 12:42 PM

most importantly... Do you even lift ?


do YOU even ? lol..
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Posted 11 December 2014 - 10:31 PM

Dont waste cds in opener. This is not sub.

Open without cds just to build up yellow buff and slice n dice. When you have this ready, then you want to do this:

1) shadow reflection
2) 8sec kidney
3) adrenaline rush
4) spam damage into 12sec kidney
5) after the kidney is over pop red buff killing spree and watch people die

Oh and later in game try to not use CDs when you dont have red buff...the difference is huge if you can time it.

You can kill anything with red buff adrenaline rush in 12sec kidney.

Edited by cubas, 11 December 2014 - 10:36 PM.

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Posted 11 December 2014 - 10:41 PM

Pro guide to playing combat:

8 second kidney shot someone. Kill them. Get free rank 1.

You're welcome.


Holy shit you're a yeasty little whiner. Fuck off already.

Edited by Raak, 11 December 2014 - 10:41 PM.

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Posted 12 December 2014 - 12:45 AM

Death from above is a flying Eviscerate that does 50 percent more damage and gives you 3 combo points.


Teach me how.
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Posted 12 December 2014 - 04:18 AM

Dont waste cds in opener. This is not sub.

Open without cds just to build up yellow buff and slice n dice. When you have this ready, then you want to do this:

1) shadow reflection
2) 8sec kidney
3) adrenaline rush
4) spam damage into 12sec kidney
5) after the kidney is over pop red buff killing spree and watch people die

Oh and later in game try to not use CDs when you dont have red buff...the difference is huge if you can time it.

You can kill anything with red buff adrenaline rush in 12sec kidney.



Good advice dude !

I play with a priest in 2s and we just figured out to tunnel the dps as long as the dps tunnels my priest , this works well because priest shield actually reflects alot of dmg and we can sap -> cs -> fear -> silence ( just a example ) the heal
if dps rides me and they dont have a priest as heal i ride the healer then cc looks like this : Sap heal (so priest can dispell ) -> CS dps -> fear dps -> Vanish sap off dps

if there is no priest heal on enemys team i ride heal no matter what.

i guess shadow reflection fits best in the "ride heal" strat right?
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Posted 12 December 2014 - 04:48 AM

wut?


Just thought it looked familiar http://nonprofitconn...-eve-douche.jpg
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#19 Crackmeyer

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Posted 12 December 2014 - 12:44 PM

Just thought it looked familiar http://nonprofitconn...-eve-douche.jpg


wtf dude
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Posted 12 December 2014 - 05:56 PM

Teach me how.

Was hot fixed yesterday, now DFA not as good as before and forcing most Combateers to go Shadow Reflection for 12 second kidneys. I do feel this needs to be looked at but its not Revealing strike that is doing the 12 second kidneys, its Shadow Reflection. Besides Rogues have Always been able to 9 second kidney since the beginning of time. We didn't bitch this much about double fears that cced us for 12 seconds and put us in Africa and have to spend another 8 seconds to get back into the fight did we?

A ton of people are tweeting Honlika to take away Revealing strike from Kidney because they don't know what they are talking about. All that needs to happen is have Shadow reflection only copy damaging moves.

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