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#41 faction

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 10:00 AM

I feel like a lot of people are sleeping on twist of fate, procs off pets.


Twist of fate is fine, I think any of the 3 there are totally OK. Shadowy insight is terrible with COP obviously. Power infusion is kind of low impact compared to other classes cooldowns, the mana portion is useless, and 25% haste is garbage when compared to say avenging wrath.

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#42 Lolflay

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 03:12 PM

My Mind Blast cooldown currently is 5.2 sec, easily will drop to something like <5s with full gear. Unless I'm playing a setup with a f.ex. DK or some other class that likes to spread, I don't see Harvest ever being worth it. What Kelberot said is 100% true, he's trading sustained damage ( which can be bursty sometimes as well ) for a MB+DP chain every 12 seconds - also did I mention that the glyph sometimes bugs out ?

I've been playing with it in BGs and skirms just because people died so fast, and sometimes it wouldn't give 3 Orbs on someone you already "tagged" earlier, at least not until they rezzed again.

In no situation of 2xDPS/1xHeal vs 2xDPS/1xHeal will Harvest ever be as good as OP portrays it to be.
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#43 BluBlu

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 05:23 PM

I've been playing with it in BGs and skirms just because people died so fast, and sometimes it wouldn't give 3 Orbs on someone you already "tagged" earlier, at least not until they rezzed again.

This happens after they've used immunities like Cloak of Shadows, Bubble, Ice Block etc
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#44 Ethug

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 06:01 PM

Twist of fate is fine, I think any of the 3 there are totally OK. Shadowy insight is terrible with COP obviously. Power infusion is kind of low impact compared to other classes cooldowns, the mana portion is useless, and 25% haste is garbage when compared to say avenging wrath.


It's really good for dispelling though.
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#45 Momohgg

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 06:13 PM

Intressting read, never seen so many spriest pvp theorycraft theories ever before in any previous season, ill be going disc in the start of the season, maybe ill switch when i know for sure what atleast seems to be the most optimal way to go.


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#46 Ethug

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 06:30 PM

apparently clone is dispellable by md

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 11:43 PM

apparently clone is dispellable by md


lmao
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Posted 02 December 2014 - 11:49 PM

lmao

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#49 angelownzz

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Posted 03 December 2014 - 03:17 AM

let the best spec win :duckers:
this should very interesting to start
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#50 Kelberot

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Posted 03 December 2014 - 12:50 PM

Twist of fate is fine, I think any of the 3 there are totally OK. Shadowy insight is terrible with COP obviously. Power infusion is kind of low impact compared to other classes cooldowns, the mana portion is useless, and 25% haste is garbage when compared to say avenging wrath.


I havent tried it out because I didnt have the chance to play shadow yet (servers were down whole day), but since now haste is calculated real time with your dots, I'm pretty sure if I VT 2 targets and pop PI I'll get infinite SoD procs. Also as someone else said it's really good for dispelling and insanity (not viable BUT still there)
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Posted 03 December 2014 - 01:26 PM

I havent tried it out because I didnt have the chance to play shadow yet (servers were down whole day), but since now haste is calculated real time with your dots, I'm pretty sure if I VT 2 targets and pop PI I'll get infinite SoD procs. Also as someone else said it's really good for dispelling and insanity (not viable BUT still there)


Man, after coming back to the game after so many years away (haven't really played since Wrath) it's crazy just how much things have changed. This is really useful information, thanks.
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Posted 04 December 2014 - 01:54 AM

Right now it seems that depending on how you gear, you can either have 3% crit/8% more mastery or 6% more haste...

Think I'm going to stick with the crit/mastery

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#53 Kelberot

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Posted 04 December 2014 - 06:56 AM

yep, PI is now the infinite spike procs button, I'll roll with it.
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Posted 04 December 2014 - 06:25 PM

human or dwarf I can't decide :( :( :(
also haste or mastery enchants :( :( :(

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Posted 04 December 2014 - 06:43 PM

Is versatility ahead of the other secondary stats?
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Posted 05 December 2014 - 03:14 PM

human or dwarf I can't decide :( :( :(
also haste or mastery enchants :( :( :(

FML I AM LOST :eek:


Human is probably the best choice if you intend to play Shadow full time, but if you're looking to play multiple specs then Dwarf for sure. Gear I'd say mastery and crit for the time being since haste isn't something you can really stack currently for a lot of benefit, pick up versatility enchants, and run with the haste weapon enchant. Hope this helps.
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Posted 05 December 2014 - 04:40 PM

Human is probably the best choice if you intend to play Shadow full time, but if you're looking to play multiple specs then Dwarf for sure. Gear I'd say mastery and crit for the time being since haste isn't something you can really stack currently for a lot of benefit, pick up versatility enchants, and run with the haste weapon enchant. Hope this helps.


you're getting the crit gear even on conquest gear?
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#58 Lexlutheran

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 05:44 PM

you're getting the crit gear even on conquest gear?


From what I've looked at even with the conquest gear you still won't acquire enough haste, but for me personally since I'm playing both Disc and Shadow I'm prioritizing crit for the time being. You'll obviously have enough points throughout the season to experiment, but I just feel like crit/mastery will be better altogether. I'd probably ask somebody like Flayzz, though, about Shadow specifically. I very well could be wrong.
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Posted 05 December 2014 - 10:48 PM

From what I've looked at even with the conquest gear you still won't acquire enough haste, but for me personally since I'm playing both Disc and Shadow I'm prioritizing crit for the time being. You'll obviously have enough points throughout the season to experiment, but I just feel like crit/mastery will be better altogether. I'd probably ask somebody like Flayzz, though, about Shadow specifically. I very well could be wrong.


I'm also playing shadow/disc, therefore I'm asking : ) thanks for the reply
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Posted 14 December 2014 - 04:42 PM

So I wanted to bring this post back. Mainly because I still see so many priest stacking and speccing completely different ways. Have we made any head way on what BiS Gearing is? ie which offset pieces to get? Staff vs MH/OH? Best stat for Enchants? Weapon Enchant?
Stat priority? I feel like we are 2 weeks in with no real answers.

Truth be told im sitting on 3400 Conquest point and have no clue what pieces to buy and where to start?
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