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#81 Lunaboreal

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Posted 04 January 2015 - 05:30 PM

I think the secondaries need to be reviewed. For pvp, multistrike only has one chance to proc. What was posted looks correct for pve but this site is entirely pvp-oriented. I don't think multistrike should be higher than crit & haste.

I've done my own stat testing in the game for BM. Stacking enchants and using the corresponding pet, crit gave me the best results for both single-target & aoe. Haste & mastery gave me very strong numbers for aoe. Multi strike was good for single target, but this was pve target-dummy testing and the one-chance-to-proc nerf was not in effect. Versatility did not do much for my dps, but it should be good for pvp where survivability & self-healing needs to be balanced agains min/maxing for damage.
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#82 Lunaboreal

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Posted 04 January 2015 - 05:31 PM

Seems noone has pointed out that multistrike hits TWICE for 30% each, meaning multistrike is not 136% effectiveness, but rather 172% as survival hunter. Multiplying with 1.51% for each 100 multistrike we i get 1,09% extra damage.

Edit: Derp multistrike hits once in PvP :(


No, for pvp multi strike has been nerfed to only one chance to proc.
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#83 qrimm

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Posted 07 January 2015 - 10:25 AM

Yes, for BM the off-piece to go for is the versatility + mastery shoulders. For survival it's the versatility + multistrike chest. And for MM it's the crit + versatility helmet.


Well it doesn't really take a genious to figure that 275 versatility vs 275 mastery (enchants) translate into:

As survival: 2,12% more damage done + 1,06% less damage taken vs 1,76% more damage done
As BM: 2,12% more damage done + 1,06% less damage taken vs 2,12% more damage done

If majority of the "top hunters" feel 212 + 106 < 176 or 212 + 106 < 212, well, it's probably better to let them feel that way and simply not take gearing advice from them.


thank you so much for the reply :) appreciate it <3
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#84 Wian

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Posted 07 January 2015 - 10:20 PM

so for surv go for versa 100% on enchants?

im still confused :P
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Posted 08 January 2015 - 06:18 PM

i did some math on my human hunter

i have 1061 mastery atm = 9,65% more dmg on MAGICAL (so that does not include glaive/crowns i guess)
i took my +50 mastery ring off - 1011 mastery = 9,19% more damage

that means
50 mastery = 0,46% more magical damage = 275 mastery = 2,53% more magical damage

0,46/50*275 = 2,53%

then i checked versatility... now i have 238 versatility what is 1,83% more damage
with enchants +275 it will be 513 versatility total and that is

1,83/238*513 = 3,94%

then 275 versa = 3,94 - 1,83 = 2,11% more damage and 1,06% less damage taken


i also tried SimulationCraft... with mastery enchant i had 17516DPS and with versa i had 17603 what is 87 more dps with versa but i dont know how accurate is that software

so, if mastery does not affect crowns and glaive, it will be probably good choice to have -1,06% damage on you, because i think with versa you can do more damage with crowns/glaive and only a little less damage on magical spells

what do u think? im still confused :P

275 mastery = 2,53% more magical damage
275 versa = 2,11% more damage and 1,06% less damage taken
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#86 TheGosuStandard

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 06:00 AM

2 piece & 3 rep pieces the way to go now?
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Posted 09 January 2015 - 06:30 AM

i did some math on my human hunter

i have 1061 mastery atm = 9,65% more dmg on MAGICAL (so that does not include glaive/crowns i guess)
i took my +50 mastery ring off

haha, seriously why not look at big number and divide
by removing only small portion your math is more flawed by round up/downs

magical = no pet claw, autohit, autoshot, murder of crows
end result versatility gives more damage and additional less damage taken
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#88 Wian

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 08:03 AM

9,65/1061*275= 2,501% :P instead of 2,53

edit: haha lol u have 1337 posts [leet] stop posting now! its magical
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Posted 09 January 2015 - 08:32 AM

Kettu, which on use trinket do you feel will be best for BM?
+198 mastery passive stat or
+88 agility passive stat.
Same question also for survival.
Also, which belt and bracers will you be using as Survival / BM?
Thank you very much!

Edited by Rawrbertlol, 09 January 2015 - 08:35 AM.

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#90 Wian

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 10:18 AM

for surv go with agi trinket, dunno which for bm

my belt is of prowess +crit/multi but maybe its wrong but its still 620 ilvl and wrists are of cruelty +mastery/multistrike
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#91 Kettu

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 08:51 PM

so for surv go for versa 100% on enchants?

Yes. As survival versatility is roughly 21% better of an offensive stat than mastery. And when you take the defensive aspect into account, I'd say versatility is overall roughly 80% better of an stat than mastery.

Kettu, which on use trinket do you feel will be best for BM?
+198 mastery passive stat or
+88 agility passive stat.
Same question also for survival.
Also, which belt and bracers will you be using as Survival / BM?
Thank you very much!

The 88 passive agi trinket is by far better for all specs.

For both BM and survival the crit + versatility belt and versatility + haste bracers are best.
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#92 Rawrbertlol

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Posted 09 January 2015 - 10:02 PM

Awesome, thanks Kettu Pal :-)
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Posted 10 January 2015 - 02:26 AM

Also, one final question if you wouldn't mind Kettu.
How do you feel about using the PVE legendary ring in arena? It scales to the same ilvl as a primal gladiator's one, but is itemized with versatility, and crit on it.
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Posted 10 January 2015 - 12:27 PM

The 88 passive agi trinket is by far better for all specs.

Why?
Looking at both 620 in non-pvp combat trinket:
1) 36 Versatility, 505 agility on procc, 1 min internal CD, 20 sec duration.
2) 61 agility, 381 versatility on use, 1 min CD, 20 sec duration.

Trinket No.2 increases ur damage passively by around 2% (taking your value of 3.5% dmg increase for 100 agility). On use, it increases your damage by another ~3%. If your dps is 10.000, this trinket boosts it to 10200 just by equipping it and to a further 10506 by activating it.

Trinket No. 1 increases your damage passively by 0,28%. On procc, it increases your damage by another 17.675% (3.50*5.05). If your dps is 10.000, this trinket boosts it to 10028 just by equipping it and to a further 11800.5 when it proccs.

Including the uptime of 30% of both proccs/on use effects, this nets a dps-gain of 609.24dps (6%) for trinket 1 and 302 dps (3%) for trinket 2.

The agility procc-trinket is thus superior, both in granting burst-dps as well as sustained dps.

You can also just look at your black arrow tooltip during proccs, it confirms the above math.
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#95 Kettu

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Posted 10 January 2015 - 03:38 PM

How do you feel about using the PVE legendary ring in arena? It scales to the same ilvl as a primal gladiator's one, but is itemized with versatility, and crit on it.

You mean this ring?

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If it scales to 690, it's better than the PvP rings for PvP even without the proc.
If the proc works in PvP, the ring is basically a must-have.

Why?

The question was about the 2 on-use trinkets.

Human hunters have to choose between the two on-use trinkets, in addition to using the proc trinket.
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#96 spreadlol

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Posted 12 January 2015 - 08:11 PM

It is worth go with only 2-p Tier and 3 versa pieces for survi?
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Posted 13 January 2015 - 07:39 AM

How do you feel about this Kettu pal? Will this change things up a bit for BM?

  • The Haste stat is now 11.1% more effective. For example, characters at level 100 now receive a 1% increase per 90 Haste (up from 1% per 100 Haste).

  • Mastery: Master of Beasts’ effects have been increased by 12.5%.

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#98 Azeda

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Posted 13 January 2015 - 02:55 PM

Kettu, with the new changes to haste, does this effect our stat priority at all as Survival (or any other spec)?

The Haste stat is now 11.1% more effective. For example, characters at level 100 now receive a 1% increase per 90 Haste (up from 1% per 100 Haste).
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Posted 13 January 2015 - 07:00 PM

Do BM hunters run 4 set or do they go for ashran offparts, Saw Souken was running offpart legs and shoulders but idk if hes just gotten lucky in Rbgs and/or if hes playing BM at all
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Posted 14 January 2015 - 02:00 AM

Is there a best option for running different specs in terms of 2 piece set bonus + 3 ashran pieces, given that versatility is one of your best stats.
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