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#1 Kettu

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Posted 19 November 2014 - 06:15 PM

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Lately a lot of hunters have been asking these basic questions and since the MoP r1 hunters have been un-able to answer and for reasons unknown keep on spreading mis-information, I decided to calculate the rough estimates for each spec which should be pretty accurate. Here are the rule of thumbs.

FAQ: What Scope to use:

BM - Mastery
MM - Multistrike
Survi - Multistrike

FAQ: What to enchant:

BM - Versatility
MM - Versatility
Survi - Versatility



MM

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FAQ: What stats to go for in 3v3 (MM):

Non-Tryhards: Agility > Versatility > Multistrike > Haste > Crit > Mastery
Tryhards: Agility > Versatility > Mastery > Multistrike > Haste > Crit

FAQ: What pet to choose (MM):

Non-Tryhards: Mortal Strike > 5% Agility > 3% Versatility > 5% Haste > 5% Crit > 5% Multistrike > 2,5% Mastery > 10% Stamina > 10% Spell Power
Tryhards: Mortal Strike > 5% Agility > 3% Versatility > 2,5% Mastery > 5% Haste > 5% Crit > 5% Multistrike > 10% Stamina > 10% Spell Power



Survival

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FAQ: What stats to go for in 3v3 (Survi):

Agility > Versatility > Multistrike > Mastery > Haste > Crit

FAQ: What pet to choose (Survi):

Mortal Strike > 5% Agility > 3% Versatility > 5% haste > 5% Mastery > 5% Crit > 5% Multistrike > 10% Stamina > 10% Spell Power



BM

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FAQ: What stats to go for in 3v3 (BM):

Agility > Versality > Mastery > Multistrike > Crit > Haste

FAQ: What pet to choose (BM):

Mortal Strike > 10% Mastery > 5% Agility > 3% Versatility > 5% Crit > 5% Multistrike > 5% Haste > 10% Stamina > 10% Spellpower



-----UPDATES-----
Blizzard hotfixes 13.1.2015

Haste 11.1% more effective
BM Mastery 12.5% more effective

Misc.

Survival arcane shot multistrikes give 1 extra tick to serpent sting -> Survival multistrike value adjusted
Simulated Values for Survival haste and agility added (See posts #123-131)
Survival "What scope to use"

Edited by Kettu, 13 February 2015 - 10:33 PM.

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#2 lolusko

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Posted 19 November 2014 - 06:23 PM

What do you recommend Kettu? Because clearly this isn't a guide, you just listed pets.
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#3 Kettu

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Posted 19 November 2014 - 07:23 PM

I recommend choosing the best pet
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#4 KaelenaXOXO

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Posted 19 November 2014 - 08:22 PM

It's going to be a case of; what important buff does your group composition lack? which will result in the pet you use.

Solo, it's going to be either crit or versa <- MS if your comp lacks it

Edited by KaelenaXOXO, 23 November 2014 - 01:03 PM.

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Posted 19 November 2014 - 11:07 PM

It's also if your comp lacks MS. Devilsaur/scorpid in that case.
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Posted 19 November 2014 - 11:09 PM

It's going to be a case of; what important buff does your group composition lack? which will result in the pet you use.

Solo, it's always going to be crit


unless its ms..
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Posted 20 November 2014 - 07:05 AM

Riverbeasts are also a normal(non-exotic) pet that have MS.
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#8 Vigholm

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Posted 21 November 2014 - 07:38 PM

Anyone have thoughts about the optimal pet to run around with going solo? Crit was pr0, MS is good as ever, but with the changes in crit and Versatility being very good atm, should we rather go for Birds of Prey than wolf for an example? This is, taking in to consideration you are going solo and not relying on anything else.
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#9 KaelenaXOXO

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Posted 22 November 2014 - 09:14 PM

Is MS still only 10%?
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Posted 23 November 2014 - 09:04 AM

Is MS still only 10%?

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#11 KaelenaXOXO

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Posted 23 November 2014 - 01:03 PM

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I'll edit my post then, didn't know, thanks!

Edited by KaelenaXOXO, 23 November 2014 - 01:03 PM.

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Posted 02 December 2014 - 10:43 PM

Riverbeasts are also a normal(non-exotic) pet that have MS.

Thanks, added it to the list.

Also updated the guide.
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Posted 02 December 2014 - 11:08 PM

ok dilly says crit is one of best stats and ure sayin its literally one of the worst... hmm now i really dont know what to go for
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Posted 02 December 2014 - 11:19 PM

I kind of agree with Kettux. Crit scales horribly for hunters and the more crit you get the less value it's worth.

You think you could do one for BM as well Kettux? Thanks =)
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Posted 02 December 2014 - 11:29 PM

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Posted 06 December 2014 - 02:56 PM

So all PvE spreadsheets I could find say crit is the best stat, most hunters seem to be of this opinion, but what is said here makes actually sense, so what is actually correct?
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Posted 06 December 2014 - 03:46 PM

Crit is the best stat for consistency in arena imo, at least 33%. There's no spreadsheet or calculations. You gain 5% more crit from all sources, and you have a 60% more chance to crit on targets above 80% health.

I doubt you're only killing people in rapid fire. I am playing Thug at 2300 MMR with and without Lone Wolf, and no other Hunter including some reasonably famous ones have out-damaged me yet.

You need at least 33% crit for consistency, I would prefer 40% personally. I guess if you're playing with a Ret right now you need as mongo as possible, but for MM there's so much set up that I can't see why you wouldn't want to expect crits consistently.

Yeah, the other stats are "better" or more efficient, or whatever. But none of them are as good as critting, especially Multistrike. Why are we buying into Multistrike anyway? It's barely 20% better than our old mastery.

That's what this boils down to. Yeah, maybe our old mastery does more sheet dps in certain situations.

You don't need a spreadsheet to see 40% chance to crit on Kill Shot, let alone every Chimera and everything else in between.

I am really trying to see it another way, even if you're only killing people in Rapid Fire you could still make your Aimed Shot hit like that most times you cast it by just getting to 40%.

I can get 37% in blues right now, just hit your threshold and then get as much Agility as you can like every other season?

Not talking shit either, I know this is a weird time for Hunters. Crit is always good, Agility is always good. Finally, after swapping from Night Elf to Dwarf I think the 2% crit damage is noticeable, and I think you could make the MM Mastery worth a lot in the right situations. (especially since I literally haven't seen Aspect of the Fox used for anything good one time, might as well just use it to keep up your Mastery.)

If you don't need Mortal Strike, get Mastery from your pet. It's a sidegrade for you, but for other classes it is much better. Giving your Disc Priest Mastery is almost as valuable as the 10% healing Glyph.

tl;dr: I don't think you need to calculate crit, I think you just get it to a consistent place and focus on optimizing from there. Honestly surprised nobody has started using their pet for Sac and putting it away for Lone Wolf.

Edited by Esiwdeer, 06 December 2014 - 03:48 PM.

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Posted 07 December 2014 - 01:48 PM

Ok so
I was bored and made this out of Kettux's guide.

pvp-pet-cheatsheet.github.io
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Posted 08 December 2014 - 06:20 AM

Honestly surprised nobody has started using their pet for Sac and putting it away for Lone Wolf.


What. How do you do that?
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Posted 08 December 2014 - 02:01 PM

Honestly surprised nobody has started using their pet for Sac and putting it away for Lone Wolf.

Can't dismiss pet in arena
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