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#41 Borngood

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Posted 12 November 2014 - 10:59 PM

Going to need some play testing against specific comps, but I think the crit will be really good since we do not start out with that much. It is the first season after all.

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Posted 13 November 2014 - 01:38 AM

Going to need some play testing against specific comps, but I think the crit will be really good since we do not start out with that much. It is the first season after all.


True :)

And it's definitely better to be able to discuss which of the many glyphs that are viable are best as opposed to struggling to find 3 glyphs which are worthwhile at all :D
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Posted 16 November 2014 - 09:15 PM

Something I've deduced from play testing so far at 100, until we get our 2 piece set bonus, the stat order is int>haste>versatility>crit>mastery>multistrike. Also I highly suggest getting crit on 1 trinket, and spirit on the other for a healthy amount of regen.

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#44 Juther

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Posted 17 November 2014 - 08:33 AM

Consider that i'm Human.

http://www.wowhead.c...15153&bonus=547

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http://www.wowhead.c...15154&bonus=547 ?

is it better both INT combo?
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Posted 17 November 2014 - 11:58 AM

I would highly suggest being a dwarf, but IF you are human, I would just buy the (int with on use versatility) and (spirit battlemasters) at least to start the season. I would buy all the trinkets anyways because they will all be useful at different times.
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Posted 17 November 2014 - 12:06 PM

Updated stat priorities after play testing thus far.
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Posted 17 November 2014 - 04:28 PM

Borngood, do you play any arenas on geared pala? How do you feel on arena now? In my opinion its hard without good fake cast..

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Posted 17 November 2014 - 04:33 PM

Borngood, do you play any arenas on geared pala? How do you feel on arena now? In my opinion its hard without good fake cast..


Play with a prot warrior that intervenes/safeguards and you will be unkillable :)
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Posted 17 November 2014 - 04:37 PM

Awesome guide, helped me alot! Altho one question about the gear is it only one item that has a set bonus? I saw that the haste gear has set bonuses on it but if u want another stat on it there is no set bonus, wut that all about? anyone knows?

oh and edit ur twitch link to "twitch.tv" not .com :)
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Posted 17 November 2014 - 07:13 PM

Play with a prot warrior that intervenes/safeguards and you will be unkillable :)


Thanks for tip :) We are trying jungle cleave with holy pala, but is much harder now
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Posted 17 November 2014 - 08:04 PM

There is a set of gear from Ashran with different stats that will not have a set bonus on it, so you will have 4 pc's of set bonus gear, and 1 pc of non set bonus for better secondary stats. I tried to explain that without sounding too confusing. And yes, playing with prot warriors is fun. I will not lie, against good melee cleaves in 3s fake casting and peels from teammates will be very important, so coordinate the best you can. This goes for all healers though, not just pallies.

Some light commentary on stat priorities so far: I know for 100% fact haste is the best followed by versatility, but the toss up comes between crit/mastery/spirit. To start the season I would use 1 spirit trinket, and 1 crit trinket. At the start of the season all players have lower crit, due to lower gear, so our 2 pc will not steal as much. So at the beginning, crit>mastery. By the end of the season, mastery>crit. As you can see the stat priority is actually pretty complicated this time around, and it's very hard for me to give an accurate answer. Humans use int proc trinket in place of spirit trinket I believe.

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Also if you have questions you do not want to post here, you can send me an AJ private message.

Edited by Borngood, 19 November 2014 - 11:33 AM.

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Posted 19 November 2014 - 08:47 AM

Is it just me or are Holy Paladins REALLY susceptible to being trained after the resilience fix?

Especially talking about Kitty/TSG and RMP. Doesn't even matter if I juke all the interrupts in the world, there is no way I survive currently. I'm not super experienced on Holy, so it could just be me.

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Posted 19 November 2014 - 09:35 AM

It's not just you, being trained by melee is a problem all healers will have to deal with, and will need to work with their team to survive, it is balanced around 3 players after all. (If balanced is even the correct term.)

Best advice I can give is obviously first try not to get locked out. Then use freedom/sprint while dps are stunned to get away, if that fails you have bubble and saved by the light to buy you time. After that still you have hand of protection 30 seconds after bubble, then saved by the light coming up AGAIN. If you're playing 2.5 min bubble, it is possible to live until it comes up, but hopefully the game has already ended.

The most important thing is to drag their dps into bad spots such as behind line of sight, so they cannot chase you, and if they do they lose because of it.
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Posted 19 November 2014 - 10:57 AM

This is very important, please read my stat priorities section. It has been updated/changed, please read it please.
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Posted 19 November 2014 - 11:41 AM

This is very important, please read my stat priorities section. It has been updated/changed, please read it please.


Infusion of Light is too damn cool.
Thank you for the fast update!
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Posted 19 November 2014 - 01:29 PM

This is very important, please read my stat priorities section. It has been updated/changed, please read it please.

Thanks.

I don't find this surprising at all. It was obvious the moment Blizz announced cast-time on WoG that hpaladin was going to become the primary train target. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if this also makes us un-viable for RBGs.
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Posted 19 November 2014 - 02:25 PM

Thanks for the update, a question tho is not all the set bonus items main stat haste? (if im not wrong)

And as Gigana said bg's is a pain in the ass for me i always get targeted and i really struggle to survive while i trying to get a cast off while fake casting and what not...
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Posted 19 November 2014 - 04:28 PM

w/ your new stat priorities, would you still recommend the same two trinkets from earlier for humans?
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Posted 19 November 2014 - 09:41 PM

Thanks.

I don't find this surprising at all. It was obvious the moment Blizz announced cast-time on WoG that hpaladin was going to become the primary train target. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if this also makes us un-viable for RBGs.


I think holy paladins still have important skills like bop, aura mastery, two becons or saved by the light for RBG's
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Posted 19 November 2014 - 10:05 PM

int proc trinket, and crit battlemasters for humans. Double crit trinkets for Dwarves.

Edited by Borngood, 19 November 2014 - 10:10 PM.

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