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#421 Stertuos

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Posted 01 July 2015 - 02:33 PM

cant wait for the update, man.

btw did you ever cosider Selfless Healer with the new buff to Fol trough Infusion of Light?


Selfless Healer buff gets cleaned in one purge no matter how many stacks. Could be pretty good for even 1 - 2 stacks though, especially if you're being offensive.
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Posted 02 July 2015 - 07:45 AM

6.2 update is coming this week, but first I want to hear peoples thoughts on stat priorities.

Right now I am considering, int>versatility>crit>mastery>haste>multistrike

My reasoning thus far, is the buff to infusion of light for 40% extra healing on the next flash of light, and the fact that holy shock doubles the base crit chance itself. Also I RBG'd in full tournament gear (730 ilvl) and the damage is really bursty, like out of control bursty, so I'm finding more and more that crit will be very valuable to heal as quickly and as high as possible.

Before I do the final 6.2 update, I would like some feedback to what people are seeing in terms of damage/healing.


is versatility gear obtainable only through strongboxes from ashran and rbgs?
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#423 Auez

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Posted 02 July 2015 - 11:42 PM

@Borngood So in 6.2 whats the stats priority... is it Critical>Haste or Haste>Critical..
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#424 Leryske

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Posted 03 July 2015 - 09:08 AM

@Borngood So in 6.2 whats the stats priority... is it Critical>Haste or Haste>Critical..


@Auez: read this:

6.2 update is coming this week, but first I want to hear peoples thoughts on stat priorities.

Right now I am considering, int>versatility>crit>mastery>haste>multistrike

My reasoning thus far, is the buff to infusion of light for 40% extra healing on the next flash of light, and the fact that holy shock doubles the base crit chance itself. Also I RBG'd in full tournament gear (730 ilvl) and the damage is really bursty, like out of control bursty, so I'm finding more and more that crit will be very valuable to heal as quickly and as high as possible.

Before I do the final 6.2 update, I would like some feedback to what people are seeing in terms of damage/healing.


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Posted 03 July 2015 - 09:37 AM

I don't know who gives this comp such a stupid name, but please, don't use it. :D
ww/dk/hpal is enough.


It's called jimjimcleave afaik
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#426 Ysteria

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Posted 05 July 2015 - 01:58 PM

jimjimcleave


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Posted 08 July 2015 - 05:49 PM

According to MMO Champion, it looks like Execution Sentence was nerfed yesterday, fyi:

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#428 Leryske

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Posted 09 July 2015 - 09:49 AM

According to MMO Champion, it looks like Execution Sentence was nerfed yesterday, fyi:

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  • Execution Sentence now heals for 25% less in PvP combat.

Yea, we know already from mmo-champion.com / arenajunkies.com ;)
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Posted 17 July 2015 - 03:35 PM

I think a good nerf to holy paladin/mage comps would be to increase Fist of Justice cd to 45 seconds.

Edited by Absolutely, 17 July 2015 - 03:36 PM.

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#430 Jim_Jim

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Posted 17 July 2015 - 04:33 PM

I think a good nerf to holy paladin/mage comps would be to increase Fist of Justice cd to 45 seconds.


Don't nerf the rare paladin who still have the balls to play without mages please.
A good mage nerf, and you will see all the hpal disappear at once. (Considering this kind of paladin can't play without this class.).

During 2 evening session, 90% all the hpal comp i've face have a mage on it.

Edited by Jim_Jim, 17 July 2015 - 04:34 PM.

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Posted 17 July 2015 - 05:18 PM

Don't nerf the rare paladin who still have the balls to play without mages please.
A good mage nerf, and you will see all the hpal disappear at once. (Considering this kind of paladin can't play without this class.).

During 2 evening session, 90% all the hpal comp i've face have a mage on it.

Either they make sp horror and hoj dr, or nerf the cd for hpals. Honestly I think making hpals play repent would be a good thing.
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#432 Jim_Jim

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Posted 17 July 2015 - 05:28 PM

Either they make sp horror and hoj dr, or nerf the cd for hpals. Honestly I think making hpals play repent would be a good thing.


The problem with shatter is not bound to the hpal. Because even if you nerf hpal, all the sp/mage will replace you by a rsham/rdruid (Like during a year before our rise), and the problem will still be here : the sp/mage duo.

And considering warlock will be a thing with full gear...

Edited by Jim_Jim, 17 July 2015 - 05:28 PM.

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#433 Borngood

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Posted 17 July 2015 - 06:48 PM

Paladins have had 30 second HoJ for years, if you want to fix the problem, the hint is mages have 2 schools to cast spells from.
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Posted 17 July 2015 - 09:29 PM

Mage.

Real palas play holy prism.
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Posted 17 July 2015 - 10:09 PM

Mages have had 2 schools for years aswell, im all for this being removed though. But, hpals outshine other healers in no mage comps aswell.
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Posted 19 July 2015 - 02:56 PM

Paladins have had 30 second HoJ for years, if you want to fix the problem, the hint is mages have 2 schools to cast spells from.


Ring of Arcane :rolleyes:
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Posted 06 August 2015 - 10:11 AM

@Borngood :paladin:: when you can update this for 6.2?
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Posted 17 August 2015 - 01:25 AM

Updated for 6.2, working on BiS gear lists, honestly gearing for paladin is interesting atm and will take me awhile to compile everything in a way that makes sense. There is not just one BiS list this season, as we have multiple gearing options to go on such as haste, versatility, and some other stats.

If I missed something feel free to comment, there were not too many changes to paladins other then these. (listing all the changes I made to the guide)

6.2 Change: The only 6.2 patch note change for holy paladins.
  • Devotion Aura now reduces all damage taken, not just magical damage.
6.2 Hotfix: Mastery: Illuminated Healing should now correctly have its damage absorption reduced by Dampening.

Sad nerf to paladins, when already struggling the most in dampening.

Hotfix: Execution Sentence healing reduced by 25% in PvP.




Pursuit of Justice: This movement speed boost is great against teams with purge such as enhance shamans and death knights, I honestly always run this as I prefer it.

Something to consider: Selfless Healer

It is important to note that selfless healer actually has a place in holy paladin play. If you could somehow master its use against teams such as turbo cleave or teams that try and oom you, it is better then sacred shield. It is relatively difficult to use though if the other team notices what you are doing because it can be purged.

Hand of Purity: The use of hand of purity is great against warlock comps, the downside is its weak against any of the enhance and ele comps out there.

Glyph of Hand of Freedom: (Sadly this glyph does not see much use anymore, you cannot freedom while stunned currently.)

Glyph of Flash of Light: Healing received from the Paladin's next spell increased by 10%.

If I'm going to fight against a comp such as FLS or WLS, I will mostly replace beacon glyph with flash of light glyph to increase healing output.

Glyph of Harsh Words: Your Word of Glory can now also be used on enemy targets, causing Holy damage approximately equal to the amount it would have healed.

For use as shockadin, the 3 shockadin glyphs are Harsh Words, Denounce, and Holy Shock.


Stat Priorities

Int > Versatility = Haste > Crit > Multistrike > Spirit > Mastery

(Recommended) Enchant Weapon - Mark of Warsong will be for haste output.

Enchant gear with either versatility or haste depending on your play style or preference.


What race should I play?

Alliance: Dwarf. The stats on medallions were buffed greatly, and stoneform is very useful against warlocks, ferals, mages, who dominate the current meta.

Final Comments and Thoughts

Holy Paladins are in a very interesting spot as of late. Coming off their best season in recent memory s16, paladins were expected to keep up dominance, as they did for awhile. But then hit with the 15% healing reduction, execution sentence nerf, and the general uprising of warlocks and spread pressure teams, has put paladins about mid tier, behind resto shamans and druids. This is not to say you cannot still be successful with
paladin, but you will notice most people who rerolled to paladin last season, are now flocking in droves to the shaman and druid class.

I promise to update the gear list this week, thanks guys. Sorry again for the delay.

Edited by Borngood, 17 August 2015 - 01:25 AM.

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Posted 19 August 2015 - 01:22 AM

@Borngood, what comps is it worth speccing haste over versatility with??
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Posted 10 October 2015 - 04:19 AM

So I am still on a break from playing WoW, but stat priority is something that is up in the air at the moment and I took some time to write up some useful information about our stats, and should give insight to why we are gearing for haste, versatility, and crit all at the same time, why if you look at the armory all the paladins are using different gear and setups (makes no sense right!).

CRIT IS GOOD BECAUSE REASONS, SO YOU CAN GO EITHER HASTE/VERS, CRIT/VERS, OR CRIT/HASTE.

There is a long winded explanation for why crit is as good as haste/vers if not better, but honestly you can go with either stat depending on your playstyle and team composition you play and it won't make the difference between winning or losing a game. The relevant thing about stats for Hpally is hitting certain crit caps, such as 40% crit or 30% crit, but really any amount of crit between 30 and 40% is a good number. What is meant by crit caps is at 40% crit with the merciful wrath glyph in you have (+10% crit chance) 100% to crit on holy shock, at 30% crit you have a 100% chance to crit without the glyph (+20% base crit 3 min wings). Holy shock needs to crit or we do not do any healing, yay for paladins. Then the rest you stack into versatility if you play a comp where you get trained, or haste if you play with a mage on your team who can press WoD cc abilities.

Edited by Borngood, 10 October 2015 - 04:22 AM.

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