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#21 jaimee

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 08:15 PM

ArenaJunkies, Sides with 2500 druid over 3k Ele shaman, on Shaman/lock synergy


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#22 Marshmellow

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 08:23 PM

Jaime is right on this one
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Posted 06 September 2014 - 08:36 PM

I went through point by point and provided counterexamples while you respond to my whole post with a picture.

Nice mate xd) typical.
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Posted 06 September 2014 - 08:36 PM

Bigmoran made the best point when comparing mage/druid vs lock/sham synergy.

Just look at the amount of viable comps.

You can pretty much roll anyone out with a lock/sham and hit high ratings. Perfect counter example would be inserting a hunter. Lock/sham team is still great but hunt/mage/druid will be tough to pull off. Same with dk etc.


People who are looking at the ladders and noticing more mage/druid teams are looking at a whole different issue. Mage/rogue/druid or spriest/mage/druid synergy. Ladders complicate the discussion.

Just b/c RMD might be better than anything a lock/sham can roll out doesn't mean that mage/druid has more/better synergy.
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Posted 06 September 2014 - 08:56 PM

How is this even an argument? Both comps are strong, l/s has infinitely more comps available. All the rest is filler.
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Posted 06 September 2014 - 09:12 PM

seriously? lol


it's okay, next season you can't get title from 5's, he has to make the most of it
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Posted 06 September 2014 - 09:31 PM

Lock/Shaman/Warrior (works)
Lock/Shaman/DK (works)
Lock/Shaman/Mage (works)
Lock/Shaman/Druid (works in like 3 different specs)
Lock/Shaman/Monk (works)
Lock/Shaman/Hunter (works)
Lock/Shaman/Rogue (works)

So 7/9 classes can play with a Lock/Sham. Lets look at Mage/Druid.

Mage/Druid/Rogue (works)
Mage/Druid/Priest (works)
Mage/Druid/Warrior (works)

So 3/9 classes can be paired up with Mage/Druid and be considered really good. How exactly is Mage/Druid synergy greater than Lock/Sham? I'm honestly interested.

To me it feels like the people playing LSD complains about Mages being OP because they happen to be decent against LSD while everyone just hates LSD.

Edit: None is saying Mage/Druid synergy isn't good, but how is it better than Lock/Sham? I rather face anything with a Mage every second of every minute of every hour of every day of the week than facing anything with a Lock. Ever. I'm sure I'm not alone.

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 09:34 PM

Lock/Shaman/Warrior (works)
Lock/Shaman/DK (works)
Lock/Shaman/Mage (works)
Lock/Shaman/Druid (works in like 3 different specs)
Lock/Shaman/Monk (works)
Lock/Shaman/Hunter (works)
Lock/Shaman/Rogue (works)

So 7/9 classes can play with a Lock/Sham. Lets look at Mage/Druid.

Mage/Druid/Rogue (works)
Mage/Druid/Priest (works)
Mage/Druid/Warrior (works)

So 3/9 classes can be paired up with Mage/Druid and be considered really good. How exactly is Mage/Druid synergy greater than Lock/Sham? I'm honestly interested.

To me it feels like the people playing LSD complains about Mages being OP because they happen to be decent against LSD while everyone just hates LSD.


Quantity =/= Quality

You forgot alot of comps too :) Mage/Boomkin Rogue/Boomkin Triple DPS etc
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Posted 06 September 2014 - 09:35 PM

Quantity =/= Quality

You forgot alot of comps too :) Mage/Boomkin Rogue/Boomkin Triple DPS etc


These are not top tier like the Lock/Sham variations. Just comps.

Literally every variation that I mentioned of Lock/Sham is seen more often than the ones you've mentioned. And are also better.

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 09:44 PM

These are not top tier like the Lock/Sham variations. Just comps.

Literally every variation that I mentioned of Lock/Sham is seen more often than the ones you've mentioned. And are also better.


Mage/Druid has the same amount of top tier comps, there's no doubt. Better? That's a matter of opinion, bigmorans arguments are just fluff with pictures and a name behind them, take away the names from whos posting, and you'll find people agreeing with the other party :)
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Posted 06 September 2014 - 09:49 PM

Mage/Druid has the same amount of top tier comps, there's no doubt. Better? That's a matter of opinion, bigmorans arguments are just fluff with pictures and a name behind them, take away the names from whos posting, and you'll find people agreeing with the other party :)


How is 6-7 top tier comps for Lock/Sham the same amount as Mage/Druid which has 3? What is better is not a matter of opinion, but fact.
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Posted 06 September 2014 - 09:55 PM

How is 6-7 top tier comps for Lock/Sham the same amount as Mage/Druid which has 3? What is better is not a matter of opinion, but fact.


RMD
Godcomp
Warrior Mage Druid
Mage / Ele / Druid
Boomkin / Mage
Boomkin / Rogue
Boomkin / Mage / Rogue
Feral / Mage

There's more if i put my mind to it :)
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Posted 06 September 2014 - 09:56 PM

the difference is, RMD/Godcomp/WMD are fucking godtier, half the comps are only t1 and the rest are t2, and godcomp has one counter, rmd, rmd has no counters, and wmd can beat everything also. most lock shaman comps are countered by a lot of shit
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Posted 06 September 2014 - 09:57 PM

ArenaJunkies, Sides with 2500 druid over 3k Ele shaman, on Shaman/lock synergy


First of all, Moran isn't a 2500 druid. Second, Jaime's viewpoint on the topic at hand is a dull, imbecilic one. Below, I've highlighted the portions of his comment which are just blatantly idiotic.

Double Iceblock, allowing them to run behind the pillar more by avoiding more cc, complimenting the playstyle of mage perfectly.
Druids are already immune to 25-30% of the cc in the game unless pom sheep or something similar.
Any viable 3rd for druid mage x has a extremely short cd immunity (cloak), break (BR for fears), or the cc passively that one cc on their dps won't actually matter as they remove somebody from the game for up to 40 seconds while overlapping x)
Druids and Mages together are especially stupid when paired with feathers from SP or a rogue with BOS, as all three can get behind the pillar in <3 seconds thanks to retardedly overpowered mobility.
M/D can, if allowed to (its difficult to stop also, i.e deep>kick sheep>lol mage rof xD haha outplayed xd) indefinitely cc someone.
the amount of buffs mages / druids have make alter time / fear ward practically undispellable.
temporal shield combined with ironbark ward is more healing than a shaman ns from 10% hp




It was just so hard to choose. I've lost brain cells from reading his post. Temporal Shield + Iron Bark + Cenarion Ward > Ancestral Swiftness + Shaman Mastery on a target @10% HP? Lol'd.

What fucking Shadow Priest uses feathers on a Resto Druid who already has the most mobility in the game? And you're getting mad because Godcomp is able to LoS your retarded RNG damage?

Why would you kick the sheep (knowing it locks out arcane and not frost) when you can just ground -> shear RoF?

The amount of buffs they have make Alter Time / Fear Ward undispellable? It really appears to me as if you're channeling your hatred for Godcomp into this single post because the mage can Alter your procs.
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Posted 06 September 2014 - 10:10 PM

RMD
Godcomp
Warrior Mage Druid
Mage / Ele / Druid
Boomkin / Mage
Boomkin / Rogue
Boomkin / Mage / Rogue
Feral / Mage


There's more if i put my mind to it :)


These are not top tier. Not hard to understand. They work if Melby plays them but that's because Melby is a fucking god and he plays it with Mehhx and other top tier players, not because its a top tier comp.

the difference is, RMD/Godcomp/WMD are fucking godtier, half the comps are only t1 and the rest are t2, and godcomp has one counter, rmd, rmd has no counters, and wmd can beat everything also. most lock shaman comps are countered by a lot of shit


Yes, RMD and Godcomp are godtier, but so is LSD/LSD2. The thing is, you refuse to admit that LSD is anywhere near godcomp/RMD simply because they have a decent chance of winning against you. You didnt reach 3k because LSD is bad.

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 10:13 PM

These are not top tier. Not hard to understand. They work if Melby plays them but that's because Melby is a fucking god and he plays it with Mehh and other top tier players, not because its a top tier comp.


boomkin mage is really fucking good.
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Posted 06 September 2014 - 10:14 PM

These are not top tier. Not hard to understand. They work if Melby plays them but that's because Melby is a fucking god and he plays it with Mehh and other top tier players, not because its a top tier comp.


Oh don't bother. 3200 rated? It's Tier 1, it has every single trait of a tier 1 comp, The other comps all have been played to 2800+ rating. If you're calling WLS a tier 1 comp but not Boomkin / Mage you're deluded. World of Compcraft is not decided by the players who play them :)
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Posted 06 September 2014 - 10:20 PM

Oh don't bother. 3200 rated? It's Tier 1, it has every single trait of a tier 1 comp, The other comps all have been played to 2800+ rating. If you're calling WLS a tier 1 comp but not Boomkin / Mage you're deluded. World of Compcraft is not decided by the players who play them :)


Who exactly played any of the comps I highlighted to 3.2? Theres a reason most boomkins only queue LSD2, and I'm fairly certain its not because they all just happen to love it the most.

If Boomkin/Mage is so fucking good, why does none play it? Just pure coincidence?

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 10:23 PM

melby and jahmilli / akish and russian mage / livin and that boomkin whos name i forget
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Posted 06 September 2014 - 10:24 PM

Who exactly played any of the comps I highlighted to 3.2? Theres a reason most boomkins only queue LSD2, and I'm fairly certain its not because they all just happen to love it the most.

If Boomkin/Mage is so fucking good, why does none play it? Just pure coincidence?


Melby/Jahmilli

LSD2 is the easiest and strongest boomkin comp, ofcourse they would play it?

There is like 1, maybe 2 WWLS' playing above 2800, if it's so good, why does no one play it?111?1!?11?
I'll let you try and work it out :)

There is like, 1 maybe 2 LDS' playing above 2800, if it's so good, why does no one play it??????????

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