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#41 Esiwdeer

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 04:10 PM

eu vs us is immature

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 04:12 PM

US sticking its nose where it doesn't belong as usual I see.
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Posted 25 July 2014 - 04:30 PM

LOL @ Thaya pretending he can say stuff like "they've been killing their own people for publicity for months!"

which we all must just take at face value because he's an expert - requires no source, no quantification, just one picture

meanwhile if we believe a similar story from our media we are "stupid americans who will believe anything"

how euphoric

Are you retarded?

Anybody who's been actually following knows about it. It was reported even in English speaking media. It's even linked in the fucking thing I AM REPLYING TO
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Posted 25 July 2014 - 04:33 PM

I wish hellbans existed on AJ, I'd add Reedwise into it first thing

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 04:39 PM

I wish hellbans existed on AJ, I'd add Reedwise into it first thing

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Go fuck yourself. You honestly believe you can just say something because you live there while disparaging an entire country and its media for being "idiots" who are too ready to believe things.

Hi. I have a great deal of experience showing up to somewhere where a bomb has gone off after the fact.

Even being a person who goes there to the site of the explosion and hears the tales of it firsthand, it's almost impossible to deduce exactly what happened. You realize everything has been exploded, right?

Look at investigations into bombings that were solved? It takes years to find the debris, the shrapnel, to put the device back together and to figure out exactly what happened.

First you say "The American media falsely reported this story and the Americans are stupid for believing it."

Then you say "Here's what really happened, sorry I don't have any sources, proof, credentials, evidence or any other form of quantification."

You know even the lowly American media is held to a much higher standard, right? If one of our reporters was like "some of my friends said this, so you can believe it's true" they would neither be reporters, nor media.

It's just funny how you and the other two people agreeing with you are like "wow, people are dumb for believing things without evidence" and then you proceed to submit something for us to consider without any evidence.

Can you stop being so dense and obtuse? Obviously the comparison to make is between the credentials IN YOUR LINK and the credentials from the links of converse stories from American media. Obviously I made the comparison. Obviously you didn't even understand the context. Obviously you don't even understand how stupid it is to say "Americans are dumb for believing things without any evidence, here's what really happened also without any evidence."

Hello? Do you see how that doesn't make sense?

Threatening to ban me for disagreeing with you while you spout some political OPINION is the definition of biased moderatorship.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 04:41 PM

the western media may be biased against russia but the russian media is shit too

remember when they reported people were fleeing ukraine to russia but they were really going to poland a few months ago

who cares though, ukraine is literally fucking retarded and everything's that happened to them these past few months is entirely their fault for being morons

lol!!!! let's violently riot and cause unrest throughout our entire country making us vulnerable!!

rioting is fucking stupid fuck ukraine

and i'm allowed to be bitter since my country is called by the entire western world to intervene every time some shit country does something fucking stupid anywhere in the world
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Posted 25 July 2014 - 05:57 PM

I think the Dutch media does a decent job at staying objective, but I'm sure some details are changed to favour ''the west''.


German media is pretty much the same to be honest, I'm pretty satisfied.

LOL @ Thaya pretending he can say stuff like "they've been killing their own people for publicity for months!"

which we all must just take at face value because he's an expert - requires no source, no quantification, just one picture

meanwhile if we believe a similar story from our media we are "stupid americans who will believe anything"

how euphoric


Not only the European but also the American media has been talking about this for m o n t h s, which Thaya and I both mentioned earlier. It's okay though, to quote the legendary Reedwise: 'Reading comprehension comes with age'


sorry, it's hard as an american to apply common sense to killing people over land :)

in reality tho, it's just another shitty european war started over land - the most ancient reason of all. stop defending it, your people are barbaric and there's honestly no excuse for it.


just fucking kill yourself already you stupid piece of shit. we've reached a new low, I can't even handle the stupidity anymore



the western media may be biased against russia but the russian media is shit too

remember when they reported people were fleeing ukraine to russia but they were really going to poland a few months ago

who cares though, ukraine is literally fucking retarded and everything's that happened to them these past few months is entirely their fault for being morons

lol!!!! let's violently riot and cause unrest throughout our entire country making us vulnerable!!

rioting is fucking stupid fuck ukraine

and i'm allowed to be bitter since my country is called by the entire western world to intervene every time some shit country does something fucking stupid anywhere in the world


are you trying to be reed?.. usually your posts are very well thought through and like, actually informative, not just a piece of shit.

really? it's their own fault? what about the people that did not want to /did not riot but got killed either way? A country doesn't make decisions you know, every individual does for himself. Rioting was not a smart decision, but that doesn't mean that anything that's happening right now is even remotely okay.

by the way, you're not allowed to be bitter. the people that have family dieing there are, so are the families of the soldiers over there. you, on the other hand ain't got fucking shit to do with this. it's just your sense of entitlement.

'as an American, I have a right to be upset whenever we are called to the battlefield even though I have never fulfilled military duties for my country and never had the intention to' ~you
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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:05 PM

No one made the assertion that what was happening "was okay." That's your own, personal assertion.

Moreover, do you really believe you can indict a group of people for wholesale murder based on.. nothing? That's a pretty serious claim. You know there are actually competent people who investigate mass murders and stuff.. right? There are people with complete diplomatic immunity who travel to those places and thoroughly investigate to get to the root of the claims.

If you really think that in today's world anything happens that an overmind entity doesn't know, you're fooling yourself. There are thousands of people who work 24 hours a day just trying to detect satellite launches so everyone can track everyone else. You can find where just about any boat with a charted course(read as: most boats on the open ocean that aren't doing something illegal) is RIGHT NOW on a public website.

Do you really think a group of people is getting away with scores of murders?

I don't care about the specifics of this event, I am talking specifically about the attitude. If you must know, I'm not following it at all because I'm a professional. I still owe military service and, as such, my opinions on the matter aren't relevant as me being sent there is a real possibility. I mean, I know I'm full of shit and fake and all but infantrymen are the very first people to be called up just like the surge, less than 10 years ago.

Why would I follow every Iran/Russia/Crimea/North Korea story that could end in a war? It's not interesting for any informative reasons; I understand all the concepts behind territory disputes - especially in Europe, lol.

I am just saying, it doesn't behoove me to be thinking about going to war all the time. My time is currently better spent studying torts, trolling you guys or simply relaxing.

Not that I'm a pussy or anything, just would prefer to not go to war for the next couple of years if you guys don't mind.

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But I'm sure you guys have fought in lots of wars, and are really experienced and experts in basically everything in the geopolitical sphere. Sorry for disagreeing with you.

And are you referring to "Americans" killing "Native Americans?" Because I'm pretty sure we were still European then. =/
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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:10 PM

how about the fact that i've had to see family members come home from iraq with ptsd from a war we shouldn't have been part of?

seeing my uncle on what feels like a dozen different medications a day, having his wife and children leave him because they couldn't handle his disorder anymore, right before he was scheduled to undergo multiple surgeries?

it's not my entitlement that makes me feel bitter over US involvement in everything across the glove

and since you brought it up, i was in talks with navy and air force recruiters to enlist when i was 18 before having my own surgery that cancelled those plans for me
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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:14 PM

we are "called to the battlefield" LMAO

yo reedwise, i can see right now you are trying to play some league of legends but

if you don't report to this place 1500 miles away in 72 hours(forget your lease, your life, your car, your job, your girlfriend, your pets, your home, your lifestyle, etc) we will put a warrant out for your arrest

we need somebody to walk around in crimea for a year, basically going on adventures for no reason. it's gonna be pretty dangerous but we're gonna pay you about 35k, so it's all good

sry bro, if you didn't want to be 'called to the battlefield' you shouldn't have ... let putin invade crimea?

:huh:

#implying me or any other american have a dog in that fight besides being the strongest/bravest country on earth :)

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:17 PM

No one made the assertion that what was happening "was okay." That's your own, personal assertion.



Breadstick literally said that it was their own fault, thus leading me to believe he though it was just.


Moreover, do you really believe you can indict a group of people for wholesale murder based on.. nothing? That's a pretty serious claim. You know there are actually competent people who investigate mass murders and stuff.. right? There are people with complete diplomatic immunity who travel to those places and thoroughly investigate to get to the root of the claims.


1. Nope and I never said anything alike, you're once again trying to reply to someone elses statement (but it's okay, your reading comprehension will improve). I'm not blaming any one party for this situation because here we actually manage to think a little further than black and white. 2. Yes, obviously. Why the fuck would you even feel the need to mention that.

If you really think that in today's world anything happens that an overmind entity doesn't know, you're fooling yourself. There are thousands of people who work 24 hours a day just trying to detect satellite launches so everyone can track everyone else. You can find where just about any boat with a charted course(read as: most boats on the open ocean that aren't doing something illegal) is RIGHT NOW on a public website.


Literal what? Were you even replying to me? What does this have to do with anything at all? Are you going insane?

Do you really think a group of people is getting away with scores of murders?

I don't care about the specifics of this event, I am talking specifically about the attitude. If you must know, I'm not following it at all because I'm a professional. I still owe military service and, as such, my opinions on the matter aren't relevant as me being sent there is a real possibility. I mean, I know I'm full of shit and fake and all but infantrymen are the very first people to be called up just like the surge, less than 10 years ago.


Yes, I do, but that's besides the point. I'm not at all surprised that you are not 'following this' because you're not following world politics or even news at all, hence why you are completely clueless as to what is actually going on in this world.


Why would I follow every Iran/Russia/Crimea/North Korea story that could end in a war? It's not interesting for any informative reasons; I understand all the concepts behind territory disputes - especially in Europe, lol.


I honestly have a hard time believing that taking into account just how much you've embarrassed yourself with your 'knowledge', or rather, lack of.

Not that I'm a pussy or anything, just would prefer to not go to war for the next couple of years if you guys don't mind.


Well yeah, obviously. It's funny you feel the need to mention that you're not a pussy just because you're not feeling like risking your life right now. Are you really that insecure or is this entire Reedwise persona just an inside joke? I'm curious

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But I'm sure you guys have fought in lots of wars, and are really experienced and experts in basically everything in the geopolitical sphere. Sorry for disagreeing with you.


I hardly know anything about warfare, we have mostly been discussing the current political situation in Europe, pretty much no war specifics at all

And are you referring to "Americans" killing "Native Americans?" Because I'm pretty sure we were still European then. =/


Your blood still is bitch ass nigga.




how about the fact that i've had to see family members come home from iraq with ptsd from a war we shouldn't have been part of?

seeing my uncle on what feels like a dozen different medications a day, having his wife and children leave him because they couldn't handle his disorder anymore, right before he was scheduled to undergo multiple surgeries?

it's not my entitlement that makes me feel bitter over US involvement in everything across the glove

and since you brought it up, i was in talks with navy and air force recruiters to enlist when i was 18 before having my own surgery that cancelled those plans for me


Why are you even mentioning Iraq? Did you read what I wrote? I'll quote it again:

the people that have family dieing there are, so are the families of the soldiers over there. you, on the other hand ain't got fucking shit to do with this. it's just your sense of entitlement.


You have a personal relation to the Iraq war. Your relatives were directly affected. It's completely acceptable, normal to feel involved, to feel bitter or whatever your sentiment is. I understand completely.

You don't have a personal relation to the war in Ukraine. You are not affected by it in any way, shape or form. You have no right to feel 'bitter', what the fuck would you even feel bitter about?...
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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:30 PM

I like how you chastise Breadstix for personal involvement and also criticize me for responding to the conversation generally instead of one person. That's just your ego and its desire for recognition.

My mind doesn't desire recognition. That's why my writing and responses are different than yours. I do carefully read every post(in fact, I have a photographic memory) and I respond to everyone at once - to me, this is efficient and polite and other people taking part in the discussion will, if they read what I wrote, find that I have addressed, considered, or replied to everything they've said.

Again, that is your ego and not mine. Secondly, do you really think the people who make the decisions in America view things in "black and white?" You'd have to be completely ignorant to underestimate us so gravely, or at least our decision makers. I'm sure they're very competent and informed because our country is very competitive about stuff like that.

Lastly, what we'd have to feel bitter about is simply this:

Americans might actually have to go and die for the sins of you and your countrymen. When's the last time a German man was called from his civilian life to die for the greed or grievance of any of my forebears?

And still even though our men continually pay this debt to our entire world, we're treated as if we don't have a choice in the matter or worse, like we're war mongers. People spread scandalous lies about stuff like, I don't know, that we lost the Iraq/Vietnam wars - pretty sure the team that got more kills won, just saying. What were we supposed to do to win? Rename it New Vietnam?

You guys are incapable of viewing things without emotion. Even Thaya is threatening to ban me and shit over disagreeing about the ethics of journalism, lol. You're a barbaric, feudal people who demonstrate this readily in things like forum arguments and video games. It isn't surprising that your leaders are choosing to invade a small, sovereign nation and are simultaneously being supported by their pro-objective-journalism citizens like you guys!

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:32 PM

You have no right to feel 'bitter', what the fuck would you even feel bitter about?...


the fact that we might get involved again and more of my family members will be sent to a war that has nothing to do with us?
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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:37 PM

the idea that i even have to be personally involved is a bit silly to me, i can feel bitter about the fact that the rioters' dumb barbaric decisions caused the deaths of at least a hundred people and injuries of thousands regardless of whether i personally know the people or not

i don't like riots and i don't like the sentiment that the rioters were just ~standing up for what they believe in~ when they caused a hundred deaths over a diplomatic issue such as joining the EU or being backed by russia
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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:48 PM

I like how the fact that it's always a big country invading a smaller one with the intention of annexing it that gets ignored. Like, it's never "Russia invades China!" It's always "Iraq invades Kuwait!"

and everyone just pretends like.. these are logical, just actions. Seriously? "What actually happened" is right there as soon as you know a big thing attacked a small thing - it's obviously greed, it's obviously a desire to have more land and thus, more money or power or what the fuck ever.

Why are people still dying for this reason in 2014?

"but there are people in the small country who want this! that changes everything."

would be like if i did a home invasion on tom and was like "his dog was fine with it, i literally just gave him a treat"

imagine how stupid you would all look if that's what you were defending - which it basically is, by the way

it would be like if i knew tom didn't have a gun (big entity invading small one) and i broke into his house with my own gun. then i'd release a statement saying that tom's dog has wanted this change for years and really, i'm just liberating him.

meanwhile i'll start setting up a meth lab in tom's apartment because i cba to set that shit up in my own apartment and whenever there's a fire or explosion from the meth and someone knocks on my door i'll be like "fuck off you idiot do you believe everything you hear lol, stupid americans"

that is literally what is happening right now. you guys are literally defending MY POINT OF VIEW in that situation.

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:53 PM

Yeah people seem to generally know nothing about Ukraine, Russia and USSR history so it's too simple to just say whatever the fuck in the media. Ukrainian western movements have revolted against every single government they've EVER had, lol. You could literally get killed for speaking Russian in the western parts even BEFORE this whole thing started on such a scale.

They have been doing this for months. Killing their own people for publicity, that is. Not to mention that their government literally supported murder publicly on several occasions. Most known one is when they forced some 16-17 Russian speaking people into a house and set it on fire, while the police just stood by (per order).

The same thing is happening (and has been happening) in Gaza and Palestine for literally decades, by the way. Hamas has always been using civs as a meatshield to later blame Israel for killing civs. Israel ALWAYS warns and gives time for evac before bombing sites, but Hamas keeps people inside by force, not to mention they install equipment on the roofs of peoples houses, by force as well. I lived in Israel and I have friends who were/are in the army, so this isn't hearsay.


Yes.

Right now and during his first 4 year period, he's amazing. The parts in between (2nd 4 year period and his time as prime minister for Medvedev), I don't know. Might have been set back by Medvedev being a terrible president, and the party he's from being a complete fucking disaster. He quit it when he got elected for this 6 year period, by the way - might be part of the reason he became amazing again.

We literally don't have a better candidate as well. People can talk about rigged votes all they want, but I can assure you with a 99.9% certainty that he would win the vote anyway. Same applies to the whole Crimea referendum too btw. You can say rigged, but 99% people there speak Russian as their primary, and in most cases, only language. It's quite plausible that they wouldn't want to be part of a government that supports murder of Russian speaking people, I'd think.


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:56 PM

yeah i am having a really hard time believing people who are adept at bombing are also adept at warning people who might be impacted by their bombs

seems like contradictory skillsets

probably pays alot tho

"this bomb is gonna be sick, huge explosion. no where near you tho, don't worry bro. :)"

- thaya's idea of people in the world

I am actually trying to imagine a situation where someone informs me that I'm about to be bombed.

"hey man, just to let you know we're gonna blow this place up with a missile in a minute. I'm actually late, lol, I'm supposed to be back there shooting the missile right now. Haha, no problem. Have a good night!"

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:59 PM

Go fuck yourself. You honestly believe you can just say something because you live there while disparaging an entire country and its media for being "idiots" who are too ready to believe things.

Hi. I have a great deal of experience showing up to somewhere where a bomb has gone off after the fact.

Even being a person who goes there to the site of the explosion and hears the tales of it firsthand, it's almost impossible to deduce exactly what happened. You realize everything has been exploded, right?

Look at investigations into bombings that were solved? It takes years to find the debris, the shrapnel, to put the device back together and to figure out exactly what happened.

First you say "The American media falsely reported this story and the Americans are stupid for believing it."

Then you say "Here's what really happened, sorry I don't have any sources, proof, credentials, evidence or any other form of quantification."

You know even the lowly American media is held to a much higher standard, right? If one of our reporters was like "some of my friends said this, so you can believe it's true" they would neither be reporters, nor media.

It's just funny how you and the other two people agreeing with you are like "wow, people are dumb for believing things without evidence" and then you proceed to submit something for us to consider without any evidence.

Can you stop being so dense and obtuse? Obviously the comparison to make is between the credentials IN YOUR LINK and the credentials from the links of converse stories from American media. Obviously I made the comparison. Obviously you didn't even understand the context. Obviously you don't even understand how stupid it is to say "Americans are dumb for believing things without any evidence, here's what really happened also without any evidence."

Hello? Do you see how that doesn't make sense?

Threatening to ban me for disagreeing with you while you spout some political OPINION is the definition of biased moderatorship.

I've no idea what you're talking about

Like I actually don't even know if I can or should reply to anything I've just read

the western media may be biased against russia but the russian media is shit too

remember when they reported people were fleeing ukraine to russia but they were really going to poland a few months ago

who cares though, ukraine is literally fucking retarded and everything's that happened to them these past few months is entirely their fault for being morons

lol!!!! let's violently riot and cause unrest throughout our entire country making us vulnerable!!

rioting is fucking stupid fuck ukraine

and i'm allowed to be bitter since my country is called by the entire western world to intervene every time some shit country does something fucking stupid anywhere in the world

They probably just didn't have actual footage of people fleeing to Russia specifically so they put something related. Some people ARE fleeing to Russia from Ukraine.

No one made the assertion that what was happening "was okay." That's your own, personal assertion.

Moreover, do you really believe you can indict a group of people for wholesale murder based on.. nothing? That's a pretty serious claim. You know there are actually competent people who investigate mass murders and stuff.. right? There are people with complete diplomatic immunity who travel to those places and thoroughly investigate to get to the root of the claims.

If you really think that in today's world anything happens that an overmind entity doesn't know, you're fooling yourself. There are thousands of people who work 24 hours a day just trying to detect satellite launches so everyone can track everyone else. You can find where just about any boat with a charted course(read as: most boats on the open ocean that aren't doing something illegal) is RIGHT NOW on a public website.

Do you really think a group of people is getting away with scores of murders?

I don't care about the specifics of this event, I am talking specifically about the attitude. If you must know, I'm not following it at all because I'm a professional. I still owe military service and, as such, my opinions on the matter aren't relevant as me being sent there is a real possibility. I mean, I know I'm full of shit and fake and all but infantrymen are the very first people to be called up just like the surge, less than 10 years ago.

Why would I follow every Iran/Russia/Crimea/North Korea story that could end in a war? It's not interesting for any informative reasons; I understand all the concepts behind territory disputes - especially in Europe, lol.

I am just saying, it doesn't behoove me to be thinking about going to war all the time. My time is currently better spent studying torts, trolling you guys or simply relaxing.

Not that I'm a pussy or anything, just would prefer to not go to war for the next couple of years if you guys don't mind.

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But I'm sure you guys have fought in lots of wars, and are really experienced and experts in basically everything in the geopolitical sphere. Sorry for disagreeing with you.

And are you referring to "Americans" killing "Native Americans?" Because I'm pretty sure we were still European then. =/

Why the FUCK are you posting if you don't know and don't follow the subject of discussion?

Get the fuck out


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#59 YVNG_CARL_YVNG

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 07:02 PM

I like how you chastise Breadstix for personal involvement and also criticize me for responding to the conversation generally instead of one person. That's just your ego and its desire for recognition.


Atleast I fucking quote.

My mind doesn't desire recognition. That's why my writing and responses are different than yours. I do carefully read every post(in fact, I have a photographic memory) and I respond to everyone at once - to me, this is efficient and polite and other people taking part in the discussion will, if they read what I wrote, find that I have addressed, considered, or replied to everything they've said.


Irrelevant to this discussion.

Again, that is your ego and not mine. Secondly, do you really think the people who make the decisions in America view things in "black and white?" You'd have to be completely ignorant to underestimate us so gravely, or at least our decision makers. I'm sure they're very competent and informed because our country is very competitive about stuff like that.


No, once again you misread my post. I think You are viewing things black and white. People making decisions are hopefully more competent than your ass.

Lastly, what we'd have to feel bitter about is simply this:

Americans might actually have to go and die for the sins of you and your countrymen. When's the last time a German man was called from his civilian life to die for the greed or grievance of any of my forebears?


Who is forcing you? Oh yeah, right.


And still even though our men continually pay this debt to our entire world, we're treated as if we don't have a choice in the matter or worse, like we're war mongers. People spread scandalous lies about stuff like, I don't know, that we lost the Iraq/Vietnam wars - pretty sure the team that got more kills won, just saying. What were we supposed to do to win? Rename it New Vietnam?


It's not like the soldiers are making the decision to go to war, but I don't think 'warmonger' is unfitting, seeing as the USA has made countlesswars of aggressions. You definitely did lose the Vietnam war, are you fucking high?

You guys are incapable of viewing things without emotion. Even Thaya is threatening to ban me and shit over disagreeing about the ethics of journalism, lol. You're a barbaric, feudal people who demonstrate this readily in things like forum arguments and video games. It isn't surprising that your leaders are choosing to invade a small, sovereign nation and are simultaneously being supported by their pro-objective-journalism citizens like you guys!


You're always biased to a certain point, we as humans cannot do anything about that. Not going to comment on the Thaya/Journalism part since I never even talked about that and am not interested in your pathetic e-drama


the fact that we might get involved again and more of my family members will be sent to a war that has nothing to do with us?

the idea that i even have to be personally involved is a bit silly to me, i can feel bitter about the fact that the rioters' dumb barbaric decisions caused the deaths of at least a hundred people and injuries of thousands regardless of whether i personally know the people or not

i don't like riots and i don't like the sentiment that the rioters were just ~standing up for what they believe in~ when they caused a hundred deaths over a diplomatic issue such as joining the EU or being backed by russia


I understand how you feel and why you feel that way but how the hell can you make a statement like 'It's their own fault' when it's just a few million individuals in a melting pot trying to survive. If you want to feel affected because your relatives are going to war that's cool man, but keep in mind they're doing this service because they chose to do so, the rest of the world is not forcing your relatives to defend Ukraine.


Why the FUCK are you posting if you don't know and don't follow the subject of discussion?

Get the fuck out


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#60 Thaya

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 07:06 PM

I like how the fact that it's always a big country invading a smaller one with the intention of annexing it that gets ignored. Like, it's never "Russia invades China!" It's always "Iraq invades Kuwait!"

and everyone just pretends like.. these are logical, just actions. Seriously? "What actually happened" is right there as soon as you know a big thing attacked a small thing - it's obviously greed, it's obviously a desire to have more land and thus, more money or power or what the fuck ever.

Why are people still dying for this reason in 2014?

"but there are people in the small country who want this! that changes everything."

would be like if i did a home invasion on tom and was like "his dog was fine with it, i literally just gave him a treat"

imagine how stupid you would all look if that's what you were defending - which it basically is, by the way

it would be like if i knew tom didn't have a gun (big entity invading small one) and i broke into his house with my own gun. then i'd release a statement saying that tom's dog has wanted this change for years and really, i'm just liberating him.

meanwhile i'll start setting up a meth lab in tom's apartment because i cba to set that shit up in my own apartment and whenever there's a fire or explosion from the meth and someone knocks on my door i'll be like "fuck off you idiot do you believe everything you hear lol, stupid americans"

that is literally what is happening right now. you guys are literally defending MY POINT OF VIEW in that situation.

Google anything related to the Israeli/Palestine conflict or Gaza and this is something that's mentioned over and over and over and over again everywhere

On top of that I lived in Israel for 7 years and I have friends who are/were in the army and in combat and I know for a fact that this is exactly how they handle it. They let civs evacuate.

holy shit thaya at first i thought you where just ignorant, but it turns out you're just retarded

Okay dude thanks for the comment, wanna expand on that?
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