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#21 Gigana

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 10:56 AM

View PostJim_Jim, on 26 August 2014 - 10:48 AM, said:

(And Gigana, i'm a masochist, i will always play my paladin. :D)
Only under dire circumstances will I abandon my pala.

However, I love RBGs and I'm already sceptical of retri's ability to hold their ground there in WoD (they still don't have that one unique utility to make them truly useful). Now if they make holy the prime train target in RBGs with little ability to survive... I'm seriously worried paladin won't have a single viable RBG spec.

BTW, does armor make a difference on beta?
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Posted 26 August 2014 - 11:10 AM

All clear Jim, thx u again.

I'm quite sad right now then, hoped in a less mandatory gamestyle.

#23 Zarella

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Posted 27 August 2014 - 06:51 PM

Seen some gameplay but not to much to give my opinion on, like many have mentioned it's still beta and alot of changes are going to happen before everything goes live.

As for Tower of Radiance change..eh.. :(

#24 Juther

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Posted 05 September 2014 - 01:38 PM

Ehya,

anyone tested Sacred Shield so far?

also, does Glyph of Beacon of Light work with Beacon of Faith?

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Posted 05 September 2014 - 04:05 PM

View PostGigana, on 26 August 2014 - 10:56 AM, said:


BTW, does armor make a difference on beta?
Yes but with http://us.battle.net...pic/14058407204 inc probably not.

#26 Gigana

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 01:09 AM

View PostThe_Observer, on 05 September 2014 - 04:05 PM, said:

Yes but with http://us.battle.net...pic/14058407204 inc probably not.
Alright, so this gets me worried.

We get less armor. Divine Protection is nerfed.

I don't like it. :/
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#27 Jim_Jim

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Posted 30 September 2014 - 09:58 AM

EDIT : Wrong post. ._.

Edited by Jim_Jim, 30 September 2014 - 12:23 PM.

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#28 Gigana

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Posted 03 October 2014 - 01:08 PM

So what's up? Any changes to Holy on beta? Did they balance healing output? I heard they nerfed druids a bit.
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Posted 03 October 2014 - 01:34 PM

Holy Prism was buffed by a lot in the last build.
Nothing change since the last time outside of this.

I think that Hpal on his own is weird and weak, but if melees are overpowered (like in the first season of each xpac), we will be one of the best healer (After rdruid). I don't like the fact that we have 3 healings spells (WoG, Flash, Holy Light) which does exactly the same amount of healing. With just mana cost / name / casting time as differences. WoG is basically a free flash of light so Holy Power is not really exciting.

But i'm 80% sure that we will be trained in all the time.
It seems boring without a fast holy power generation :(

Edited by Jim_Jim, 03 October 2014 - 01:36 PM.

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Posted 03 October 2014 - 02:11 PM

I dont know why they moved away from HP playstyle, it will be TBC all over again. But we will work if melee cleaves are good so thats fine

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#31 Gigana

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Posted 03 October 2014 - 03:04 PM

@ Jimjim

What about RBGs? You think holy will be worth a crap there? I'm honestly worried we might be rendered useless by everything being casted/dispellable. :/
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Posted 04 October 2014 - 09:04 AM

I think we will be as good as the other, even mandatory, because of double bop. With double beacon, holy avenger (with radiance to have 3 hp), and Eternal flame, we will be good.
Every healer have to cast now, so we are not alone. (Except for rdruid...)

Holy prism is our biggest heal now.
And... you should try the holy shock glyph + sanctified wrath, it's just ridiculous. It's like Heart of the Wild, for holy paladin, you are a dps during 30s, if you decide to forget healing for a moment :D

But remember it's just my opinion, i didn't try serious 3v3 or rbg (I don't know if we can on beta), with serious peoples, against serious peoples.

I was really sad for holy paladin, but my opinion change day after day. I think we will be one of the best healer. (Considering melees are really strong.)

Edited by Jim_Jim, 04 October 2014 - 09:14 AM.

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 01:41 PM

Nice, good to hear that. I especially like that sanctified wrath + holy shock glyph thing, may open up options for some nice zergy comps. ^_^ You tried it with harsh words glyph for added dps? xD
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Posted 04 October 2014 - 03:22 PM

Shockadin kitty cleave? =D

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Posted 04 October 2014 - 07:31 PM

Nice to hear something good about hpala now..

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Posted 05 October 2014 - 09:20 PM

http://i.imgur.com/MoUd4bL.jpg

I don't think it's viable in 3v3, but at least, it's really fun in 2v2 / Ashran / PvE solo stuff :D
I was in Ashran with the ancient artefact, and with wings up, i just 3-shots everyone haha.

(We can use the new Toy-box in arena \o/ )

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Posted 06 October 2014 - 09:44 AM

View PostJim_Jim, on 05 October 2014 - 09:20 PM, said:

http://i.imgur.com/MoUd4bL.jpg

I don't think it's viable in 3v3, but at least, it's really fun in 2v2 / Ashran / PvE solo stuff :D
I was in Ashran with the ancient artefact, and with wings up, i just 3-shots everyone haha.

(We can use the new Toy-box in arena \o/ )

Really fun!

Btw, rightnow whats the point of Holy Power in pvp?
Sacred shield seems more viable then Eternal Flame, and WoG heals like a Fol.

Mana seems not our problem at all , so whats about HolPo?

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Posted 06 October 2014 - 11:20 AM

View PostJuther, on 06 October 2014 - 09:44 AM, said:

Really fun!

Btw, rightnow whats the point of Holy Power in pvp?
Sacred shield seems more viable then Eternal Flame, and WoG heals like a Fol.

Mana seems not our problem at all , so whats about HolPo?

I don't see the point of Holy Power now. As you say, it's just a free flash heal every (18s - haste) second. Nothing exciting.
I don't think mana will be a problem, just like now so... yes, having a free flash heal is really pointless. If WoG was instant again... but now, no, no, no.

I'm thinking of using Poursuit of Justice instead of Speed of Light (Because i like the idea of this talent, and i read that speed effect can be cumulated, to be confirmed), but having a sprint-on-demand is so good :(

Sacred shield seems to be the only viable choice since eternal flame is still dispellable, is less frequent due to tower of radiance, have a cast, and heal for nothing.

I would love to have more "choice" of using Holy Power for PvP, instead of a boring flash heal. Give us some fun, give us short but intense cd for Holy Power, like the soul shard (i don't remember the name) for warlock. You press the button (Which costs 3 holy power), and you have "special" things for the next spell. Divine protection reflect X% of damage? You can use divine protection on others but the effect is reduced by 50%? The next denounce can be used on friendly target, deals no damage, but increase their %crit as much as yours? Beacon of light/faith can be duplicated on enemies, last 15s, and works like a normal beacon, 50% of received healing - by the enemy - is duplicated to the real beacon. Give us some funny things :o (I have loooots of ideas)

I would love to have an "Empowered seals" talent for Holy paladin, i love the idea, even if it's clunky.
I would love to have lots of minor glyphs to learn the old auras, with tiny graphical effect, like shakras.

Holy Power is just a yellow bar in the beta, and it's sad. Because it worked really well in MoP.

Edited by Jim_Jim, 06 October 2014 - 11:44 AM.

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Posted 06 October 2014 - 01:09 PM

I think one nice quick change to holy power in WoD would be to make 3hp WoG casts instant. That way there would be some choice to using WoG + an incentive to maintain 5 holy power at all times.

Or make it so that for every holy power we have, we get certain % less spell pushback, so that we gotta strategize between using a WoG for free healing or maintaining holy power for the spell pushback resist, or something like that.
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Posted 06 October 2014 - 02:05 PM

Paladins feel like they're in an alright spot from the testing ive done. The only thing thats annoying is like you guys were mentioning holy power is pretty useless. Because of this every talent in the lvl 75 tier is really awkward and bad for holy. I've been using the avenging wrath talent because its the only one that does anything atm.

The one thing I really like about wod healing so far is basically every single class has to cast, which is going to put a huge emphasis on interrupts and juking.

One thing that getting me worried though is our pvp set 2 and 4 piece, which are both fucking useless. Other classes have super overpowered 4 sets, and holy paladins get literally nothing from ours atm. I really hope its just a placeholder or something because if they're planning on letting it go live its going to suck.




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