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#201 Crono_Smash

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 02:18 PM

I see your point about attack power vs strength. I'm wrong about that - the difference is huge. On Live MoP.

On WoD 1 Str = 1 AP, so it should be balanced. So there is no reason to complain.

Still, I agree that Orcs and Humans are better and there is no reason to that. My point is that there is no reason for all the "Alliance is better" when overall Horde raciais are so better they're actually getting nerfed.
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Posted 26 August 2014 - 02:26 PM

Strength still provides stuff like parry and spellpower for paladins and whatnot. It's just an overall better stat than raw AP.

And the same point stands, even if human = orc, we still got two races that are hands down best for PvP, which sucks as high ratings are just gonna be a bunch of humans and orcs dishing it out.
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Posted 26 August 2014 - 02:32 PM

Crono, If you play a Class as a Human, it's (still) the best choice - no matter what.

There is no reason (anymore) for every Race to have such powerful Racials.
Not even Trolls, which is much weaker than the Orc and Human Racial.


Something like "1% Crit at day/night - Nightelves" or "2% more crititalstrikedamage" isn't really much and roundabout balanced.
Because of 0,1% (or less) more damage/heal - no one will start such a huge discussion as many Others did because of the Humans Racial (inc. Orc one too).

Maybe Holinka will give a Statement, but i don't think so.... :/

#204 Crono_Smash

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 02:37 PM

Well, since there is no Orc paladins, this isn't a issue... it works for DK, War, etc...

And racials got some interesting re-workings... night elves and draenei for healers, dwarves for crit users, gnomes too... all Alliance, but still.

If you spread this difference over the CD, won't get close at least? ô_ô
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Posted 26 August 2014 - 02:45 PM

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If you spread this difference over the CD, won't get close at least? ô_ô

I don't understand, what are you trying to say ^.^; .

If you're talking about the Racials/Trinkets/CD's:

Orc Racical has 2min CD
Use-Trinket hat 1min CD :D

Another Reason, why this Racials is OP  :P .

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 02:50 PM

The issue is that human is still the best pvp racial in the game, for any class. All these fancy new dwarf, gnome, etc. racials won't matter at all when everyone still plays human.

Anyway, we're veering off the topic.

So, the trinkets are the same in WoD beta as they are now?
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Posted 26 August 2014 - 02:56 PM

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The issue is that human is still the best pvp racial in the game, for any class.

Said that on the last Page :D
Said that on Twitter - no Comment :/

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So, the trinkets are the same in WoD beta as they are now?

Yes, they are. Just replace PvP-Power with Strenght.

Both grants you 210 Strength (Itemlevel 660) and Strenght On-Use or as a Procc.
It's the same as on live.
But this time, it's better than on live, because you gain the mainrecource (Strength). Since everything is based on your Mainstat, it's also a Buff, which will be ignored from the Devs - it's not commented to be clear :) .

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 04:17 PM

I meant, if you spread the 1% Crit/Haste over 2min the buff value don't come close. Makes no sense Blizz making the main races so much stronger... It's hard to believe they'll leave it like that then...
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Posted 26 August 2014 - 06:04 PM

Human is overrated tbh. Can we change this discussion to how Dwarves can dispel silences from themselves via stoneform in WoD? It's a little insane.
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I prefer combat because my dong is large and I will face the enemy like a man rather than sprint over to a pillar for a re after my opener is up.

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 06:06 PM

We should go back to Topic :D .

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 06:11 PM

Yeah, I got a feeling Dwarves and Draenei might get interesting for a tanky gameplay...

Since silence isn't that big deal for Ret (have anyone tried to FV silenced?) we can live without it... I'll miss Devotion (and Blind) for last resort survivability anyway =P

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Can you guys hear the sound of horde packing up to transfer for Alliance?
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Posted 26 August 2014 - 06:25 PM

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I'll miss Devotion (and Blind) for last resort survivability anyway =P

Me too :(  .

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Can you guys hear the sound of horde packing up to transfer for Alliance?

This Process is mostly done, but still going on.
Has startet, since this Racial was changed...

Very many german Players moved to Horde and english Realms (most of the moved to Outland), to join the creme de la creme.
They also changes their Race to Human. Just check the Ladders and the Realmpopulation. It's so sad to see that....

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 06:27 PM

FOTM Rerollers... FOTM Rerollers everywhere... ô_ô
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Posted 26 August 2014 - 06:44 PM

Oh Goooodd Nooooooo!!!!!!!
RUN! RUN FOR YOUR LIIIIVVESSS!!!!

Let's freak out :D

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 06:46 PM

Yeah, let's animefreak out XD
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Posted 26 August 2014 - 08:20 PM

I think the dwarf racial is going to be fine. As for draenei racial it really depends how well it's going to scale with gear.

But overall, I think the 4 non-op paladin races are gonna be fine, every race has an advantage in a certain situation and tauren is actually getting better since our health bonus should become noticeable now + we get them better crits I think.
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Posted 26 August 2014 - 08:37 PM

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I think the dwarf racial is going to be fine.

It's discussed on Twitter. You can remove CC as well - not ok.


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But overall, I think the 4 non-op paladin races are gonna be fine, every race has an advantage in a certain situation and tauren is actually getting better since our health bonus should become noticeable now + we get them better crits I think.

Every Racial, that doesn't impact too much, is ok.

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 08:58 PM

View PostGigana, on 26 August 2014 - 01:44 PM, said:

Orc racial is on roughly the same level as human racial during the 1st and 2nd seasons of an expansion,
On beta the first season's trinkets vs blood fury is like it is now at the end of mop so its already very op and will only get worse with time.

View PostCrono_Smash, on 26 August 2014 - 02:18 PM, said:

On WoD 1 Str = 1 AP, so it should be balanced. So there is no reason to complain.

Nope still tons of reason to complain...
At 100 blood fury gives 345 ap for 15sec every 2mins while the pvp trinket gives 277 ap passively.... and 687 ap for 20sec with a 1 min cd.

The trinket beats it without even using with using it just retarded op no racial compares because even if another racial gave that much it wouldn't scale with gear upgrades.

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Posted 26 August 2014 - 11:09 PM

View PostAnimefreak3K, on 26 August 2014 - 08:37 PM, said:

It's discussed on Twitter. You can remove CC as well - not ok.
Correct me if I wrong, but it can remove cc like rogue snare or a root or something that doesn't actually cc you. It cant be used as a trinket to legit break a cc such as fear or stun, right?

View PostAnimefreak3K, on 26 August 2014 - 08:37 PM, said:

Every Racial, that doesn't impact too much, is ok.
I think the tauren/belf racials are perfect actually. They're both situational but effective (warstomp pwns aura mastery, can be used skillfully to get quick heals or blind/fear/repentance off while being trained etc., while arcane torrent is more effective at interrupting regular casting etc.), and you can really incorporate them into your play.

Human racial is neither a fun mechanic (it's a passive dmg buff, really) nor does it require skill to use.
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Posted 27 August 2014 - 08:56 AM

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Yeah, let's animefreak out XD

Sure! Why not? :D

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Correct me if I wrong, but it can remove cc like rogue snare or a root or something that doesn't actually cc you. It cant be used as a trinket to legit break a cc such as fear or stun, right?

No, it removes Magical and Silence. It's kinda like EMfH. Maybe a bug.

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I think the tauren/belf racials are perfect actually.

Totally agree.




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