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#1 Siuox

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 03:29 AM

Warrior Paladin Monk Druids No more other balance issues to resolve? Or RBG only changes?

Edited by Siuox, 11 June 2014 - 03:30 AM.


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Posted 11 June 2014 - 03:35 AM

Same reason moonkins are viable.

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 03:45 AM

Apparently they're just place holders.

Really hope prot isn't viable in arenas again though. :\

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 03:49 AM

Holinka also tweeted that they have some ideas for prot speccs (but can't remember the exact context)

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 04:01 AM

i personally like the idea of tank specs being viable - a ton of other games have it i just think blizzard is going about it wrong.


they try to give prots a little too much of everything and at that point nobody is having a good time except for the prot and his team
because when you give a prot the ability to run into combat and have every single utility available to that class you run into issues where they do too much damage - heal way too much and dont take enough damage to off set what they are doing

if they are going to make prot viable then it needs to be worked into the mechanics that they have set up for games like heroes - where prots become SUPPORT

i honestly miss the days where you had support classes in wow - now it seems as if everything can do everything which wasn't the case back in the day

if they allowed prots into arena but made them so you were facing a player rather than a raid boss from a new xpac where you dont have the ability to kill him then i say screw it let the prots in

but IF and ONLY IF they do it right and not make it so the prot is completely unkillable and you look at a team like oh they have XX and a prot - just CC the prot all day - i hated that mechanic - everything should be a kill target nothing should be chalked up to "shit thats a demi-god we should just ignore him all game"
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#6 Marshmellow

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 04:16 AM

they obviously want atc to be a thing again
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Posted 11 June 2014 - 04:22 AM

View Postkannetixx, on 11 June 2014 - 04:01 AM, said:

i personally like the idea of tank specs being viable - a ton of other games have it i just think blizzard is going about it wrong.


they try to give prots a little too much of everything and at that point nobody is having a good time except for the prot and his team
because when you give a prot the ability to run into combat and have every single utility available to that class you run into issues where they do too much damage - heal way too much and dont take enough damage to off set what they are doing

if they are going to make prot viable then it needs to be worked into the mechanics that they have set up for games like heroes - where prots become SUPPORT

i honestly miss the days where you had support classes in wow - now it seems as if everything can do everything which wasn't the case back in the day

if they allowed prots into arena but made them so you were facing a player rather than a raid boss from a new xpac where you dont have the ability to kill him then i say screw it let the prots in

but IF and ONLY IF they do it right and not make it so the prot is completely unkillable and you look at a team like oh they have XX and a prot - just CC the prot all day - i hated that mechanic - everything should be a kill target nothing should be chalked up to "shit thats a demi-god we should just ignore him all game"

I miss support classes too. I remember when enhancement shamans just made everything else do a fuck load more damage with relatively low damage compared to other classes.

I remember playing turbo cleave in season 8 and doing like 1/3rd of my warriors damage. Now enhance has arguable the highest dmg in the game in a short period. Bring back class diversity 2014.

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 07:46 AM

View Postkannetixx, on 11 June 2014 - 04:01 AM, said:

i honestly miss the days where you had support classes in wow - now it seems as if everything can do everything which wasn't the case back in the day

I miss that and and classes actually having a niche. All the healers are pretty much the same now with iconic spells either being removed or reworked into the same spells as every other class except with a different tooltip and animation.

They absolutely butchered totems in Cata & MoP. They're just like any other spell now except you just throw a stick on the ground for the animation.

That being said, I don't agree with making prot specs viable in arena. Rbgs sure. Arena nope.

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 10:22 AM

fuck yeah i can spit fire in arena as brewmaster ggwp


more related: The new bonus for windwalker seems cool but I will miss roll removing movement impairing cc.

Edited by RippedLife, 11 June 2014 - 10:23 AM.

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I got Dragon Roar'd by a Warrior in Ashran and it knocked me through the floor then made me DC for 10 minutes.

I didn't submit a bug though, with the state of Warriors throughout MoP it wouldn't surprise me if it was intended.

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 05:43 PM

African Turtle Cleave : /  oh the nightmares

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 06:26 PM

Sunz missing traps 75% of the time, no problem Protection Warrior Baksteen is here.

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 06:30 PM

African Turtle Cleave vs. Double Healer DK fighting for rank 1

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 06:31 PM

View PostRippedLife, on 11 June 2014 - 10:22 AM, said:

fuck yeah i can spit fire in arena as brewmaster ggwp


more related: The new bonus for windwalker seems cool but I will miss roll removing movement impairing cc.

there is a glyph for the snare removal on roll and fsk

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 06:59 PM

you guys forgot that when prot warrior is in gladiator stance he cannot go defensive stance (30% damage reduction) he has no damage reduction so he is really squishy.

I think prots are welcome to pvp if they are killable but you guys know game is never balanced so just give us 5 more specs for arenas!

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 07:02 PM

A glorious return.

Let us cast our minds back upon the glorious days of Ayrabbc the prot god and prepare ourselves for his triumphant return as the true lord and protector of protection.





Memories lads. Memories.

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Posted 11 June 2014 - 07:32 PM

View Postshunke, on 11 June 2014 - 06:59 PM, said:

you guys forgot that when prot warrior is in gladiator stance he cannot go defensive stance (30% damage reduction) he has no damage reduction so he is really squishy.

I think prots are welcome to pvp if they are killable but you guys know game is never balanced so just give us 5 more specs for arenas!

i'd rather if they made sure every class had 1 viable spec so people could choose between the classes, the only healer that really needs a dps offspec imo is priest, because feral/moonkin/wwmonk/retpaladin etc. are all stupid anyway :P

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 01:39 AM

View Postfreshfreefly, on 11 June 2014 - 07:32 PM, said:

i'd rather if they made sure every class had 1 viable spec so people could choose between the classes, the only healer that really needs a dps offspec imo is priest, because feral/moonkin/wwmonk/retpaladin etc. are all stupid anyway :P

Right now only paladin does not really have 1 viable spec, every other class has comp or comps to play so I think they have done really good job on that.

Few comps are just a bit disgusting.

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 03:39 AM

View Postshunke, on 12 June 2014 - 01:39 AM, said:

Right now only paladin does not really have 1 viable spec, every other class has comp or comps to play so I think they have done really good job on that.

Few comps are just a bit disgusting.

Holy is shit, ret is beyond shit, and prot shouldn't be viable

Hopefully WoD changes some stuff
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Posted 12 June 2014 - 04:34 PM

the unkillable prot specs that do dmg is a problem. make prot able to receive dmg the same way everyone else is and it's not a problem. i think it's them trying to appeal to the players who want to go around smashing things with a shield, which isn't a bad idea as long as that person wearing the shield dies the same as someone not holding a shield. I just don't forsee that happening though with their current idea of adding bonus armor to the game.

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 05:48 PM

I don't know aboutthe other classes, but won't prot warriors have a "Gladiator Stance" that will enable them to do more dmg but with reduced surviveability? If we assume that this is what they are doing to all the tank specs I don't really mind if they become viable, more than that I am concerned if they can keep the balance good with an additional 4 specs to take into consideration...




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