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#1 Treezi

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Posted 17 May 2014 - 12:38 AM

Hey guys I had a quick question about the reality of swapping imbues to unleash. My teammates and I are really trying to push this season and nearing the 2500 mark I feel we need any advantage we can get. With that being said I know swapping to rockbiter and unleashing greatly reduces damage on the target you unleash on but is it really worth it? and how often do you find your self really doing it? are those two global's better spent doing something else.

So far I haven't done it at all, but partially because its not natural for me. An example thought where I feel it wouldn't even really help is against beastcleave or turbo. Once the shaman pops ascendence I don't have the globals to swap/unleash before his first zap hits me, I usually rage instantly/healing tide if needed. With that being said, AFTER I rage/tide would it be better to swap and get ready to unleash before his second zap? or are those globals better spent trying to ground/shear cc on my healer/heal myself/earthgrab and run?

I hope I worded this in a way people can understand. For me at least, I feel the more I think about it I can hardly see myself using it instead of other things.

Any input is appreciated!
Thanks so much!
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Posted 17 May 2014 - 04:27 AM

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Posted 17 May 2014 - 07:30 AM

ye it's actually worth it when u feel like u'll be bursted to the ground, aka frozen orb , ascendance.
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Posted 17 May 2014 - 07:38 AM

Its worth only if you know you are gonna be destroyed in the next x seconds. You lose global for attaching the rockbieter then removing and reattaching something else, you have to have unleash ready and remember, that it reduces 40% dmg only against the target you did cast it on

Also, if i'm correct, there is no macro available for unlesh swapping, so you have to do it by hand, which reduces the reaction time of it by a really high margin

If you elemental, its ok, you just recast the unleash you want to apply, but as enhance, this is pain in the ass

Edited by Darksoldierr, 17 May 2014 - 07:40 AM.

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Posted 17 May 2014 - 07:40 AM

Its worth only if you know you are gonna be destroyed in the next x seconds. You lose global for attaching the rockbieter then removing and reattaching something else, you have to have unleash ready and remember, that it reduces 40% dmg only against the target you did cast it on

Also, if i'm correct, there is no macro available for unlesh swapping, so you have to do it by hand, which reduces the reaction time of it by a really high margin


Maybe have 2 weapons and switch between them? and put rockbiter and flametongue in lobby. :o?
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Posted 17 May 2014 - 07:44 AM

Maybe have 2 weapons and switch between them? and put rockbiter and flametongue in lobby. :o?


This would most likely work well.

You could just have one with each imbue on and make a macro /equip xyz /cast unleash

Wouldn't that only take one global or am i mistaken?

Edited by Ayrasaurus, 17 May 2014 - 07:45 AM.

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Posted 17 May 2014 - 07:46 AM

Assuming you are fully geared you can buy a different weapon type and just weapon swap, and imbue both of your weapons every hour. I find it more convenient to weapon swap than to imbue swap mid game. Heaving some sort of reminder that you don't have flametongue active might be handy.

I have it in the form of a weakaura that shows my imbues like it shows stances on other classes:

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Or you could have a macro like this:

/castsequence [@player] rockbiter Weapon, flametongue weapon
/use Prideful Gladiator's Gavel
/click StaticPopup1Button1

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Posted 17 May 2014 - 08:07 AM

Assuming you are fully geared you can buy a different weapon type and just weapon swap, and imbue both of your weapons every hour. I find it more convenient to weapon swap than to imbue swap mid game. Heaving some sort of reminder that you don't have flametongue active might be handy.

I have it in the form of a weakaura that shows my imbues like it shows stances on other classes:

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Or you could have a macro like this:

/castsequence [@player] rockbiter Weapon, flametongue weapon
/use Prideful Gladiator's Gavel
/click StaticPopup1Button1


I really like this way of doing it, nice job.
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Posted 17 May 2014 - 11:12 AM

I really like this way of doing it, nice job.


in case anyone thinks it's useful, the weakauras import string:

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Posted 17 May 2014 - 12:45 PM

Assuming you are fully geared you can buy a different weapon type and just weapon swap, and imbue both of your weapons every hour. I find it more convenient to weapon swap than to imbue swap mid game. Heaving some sort of reminder that you don't have flametongue active might be handy.

I have it in the form of a weakaura that shows my imbues like it shows stances on other classes:

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Or you could have a macro like this:

/castsequence [@player] rockbiter Weapon, flametongue weapon
/use Prideful Gladiator's Gavel
/click StaticPopup1Button1

can i have your lvb macro?
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Posted 17 May 2014 - 02:36 PM

That is an excellent idea, weapon swapping definitely works. I just used to buy always the same weapons, since like S2, didn't even tought about it that way.

Thanks!
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Posted 17 May 2014 - 08:26 PM

can i have your lvb macro?

I understand the irony, but I still believe not many people are aware of this function:

/cancelqueuedspell
/cast lava burst

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#13 Treezi

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Posted 18 May 2014 - 10:26 PM

Thanks for your replies guys, I just need to remember it more often haha
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Posted 04 June 2014 - 04:01 AM

Made an account to thank you for that WeakAuras script zenga, it was exactly what I was looking for!

Just wanting to confirm does using a weapon swap rather than swapping weapon imbues actually save you a global?

If so do you just macro each ability into a separate unleash or do you still swap them manually before hand? would love to know what macros you're using to do this because at the moment I just cast each weapon imbue (will get 27k this week for extra weapon if it does save a global)
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Posted 24 June 2014 - 04:14 AM

pretty sure swaping in combat uses a gcd from my warrior swapping days


in other words, no point other then saving a extra bind
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Posted 26 June 2014 - 12:49 AM

u can take up another level, lightning shield + glyph along with rockbiter unleash is sweg
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Posted 30 June 2014 - 08:40 PM

So, with rockbiter gone in WoD, are we forced to play with Elemental Blast, or Unleash will still be better?
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Posted 03 July 2014 - 08:13 PM

Wow this seems overpowered! Sounds like another great tool being added to the shaman arsenal.


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