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#1 Forumz

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 10:56 AM

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Obviously it's not all about damage, but in Frost's case, it certainly matters a whole lot. This was on my horde DK, meaning the numbers can get even higher if you're playing Human.

Frost's survivability hasn't felt like an issue for me so far, but perhaps it'll be different when everyone is fully geared? I feel like spellcleaves' damage is mainly going to go even higher, but other than that there shouldn't be too many issues in terms of dying too fast?

Just looking to get some general opinions here

inb4 ''frost retard spec'' :D
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Posted 08 April 2014 - 12:03 PM

I think Obilirate is harder to use than for example Colossus smash slam as warrior. But ofc you can get lucky and get KM procs and do insane damage!

What I feel is that Frost DK is just a bad warrior.

Survival of Frost DK's is much shittier than Unholy DK's against melees, so I dont really see any point anyone playing Frost DK. If you want more single target and you play a DK, "reroll warrior!"

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 08:38 PM

Im a big advocate of frost and have been for awhile, WoD alpha notes look amazig for frost, and I really want to look forward to being all about my frost again.

Note: 540 ilvl DK with wep, human, hit like 14 trucks.


-With pillar and trinket proc up 120k Oblits are commonplace (higher on clothies even), and can be chained together with alittle luck.
- I still feel I lack survivability vs unholy spec, im not sure what is making me feel this though. Conversion heals for the same amount and I have little trouble keeping it going when I need it.
-More kill windows with trinket and pillar matching up on 60 sec cds
-Hard to decide between asphyxiate/dg and chillblains/rw combo just for the slow/root from chains which allows me to stay on target ALOT
-Just more fun, FUN FUN FUN

Now in WoD alpha atleast, frost looks super good. battle fatigue being removed + health poold effectivly doubling makes deathpact useable again as an oh shit button. Glyph icebound to make it a 40% shield wall, ect ect. I made a big post about it in the DK section already.

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 08:49 PM

Yea I've noticed this too. I have queued into a WW/FrostDK/Hpala team before and they just globaled my teammates through heals. It's insane burst.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 01:14 AM

View PostSlaggy, on 08 April 2014 - 08:38 PM, said:

Note: 540 ilvl DK with wep, human, hit like 14 trucks.

540 ilvl human DK with wep here, Can confirm. Been getting 140ks on mages in rbgs, most of the time its inbetween 90-110k on most people, but squishy people its huge. Howling blast is getting some pretty big 40-50ks too. But this is purely rated BGs inbetween 1900 - 2100. Been getting some higher numbers on Orc Dk playing without trink.

Still true to the phrase, "Glass cannon" though.

Edited by Sevre, 09 April 2014 - 01:15 AM.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 04:02 PM

Frost is fun, but the fact that everyone automatically trains a frost DK to keep him in blood presence and thus reducing the damage by alot makes it "unfun". I hope frost makes a comeback in WoD, although if it doesn't, UH is still there being alot of fun.
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Posted 10 April 2014 - 12:23 PM

shame that i just tried frost DK in rated bg and you jsut get bursted down and focused so much that you spend more time at the GY than actually fighting

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 02:55 PM

I play Frost DK at 2k in 3s, it's good if you can connect with the opponent, but if you get rooted or disarmed, you are kinda worthless.
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Posted 11 April 2014 - 09:31 PM

I play Frost DK at 2k in 3s, it's good if you can connect with the opponent, but if you get rooted or disarmed, you are kinda worthless.


Play frost PHDk/SHDk and you'll hopefully see a diff. THey either leave you alone, and you kil something, or they leave your hunter alone, and he kills something. I beenplaying it all week @ about 2050 CR. It has its drawbacks for sure but I think its capable of going atleast 2200-2300 by season end. Shaman freedom totem helps so so verymuch also. We get alot of gibs in the opener, vs KFC for example I can sometimes 50-0 the hunter before deter if i get 2 crits. I NEVER howling blast, its all Icy Touch for the purge, and I play full Haste + runic corruption + remorsless winter build.

BTW @ Eve and other frost DK enthusiats around here. Is it just me who thinks Soul Reaper is a wasted rune as frost? MY oblits hit as hard/harder and dont fucknig take 5 sec to tick, also dont have a health % requirement. Opinions? I rarley use Reaper unles i  know Im abotu to be peeled

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 09:38 PM

View PostSlaggy, on 11 April 2014 - 09:31 PM, said:

I play Frost DK at 2k in 3s, it's good if you can connect with the opponent, but if you get rooted or disarmed, you are kinda worthless.


Play frost PHDk/SHDk and you'll hopefully see a diff. THey either leave you alone, and you kil something, or they leave your hunter alone, and he kills something. I beenplaying it all week @ about 2050 CR. It has its drawbacks for sure but I think its capable of going atleast 2200-2300 by season end. Shaman freedom totem helps so so verymuch also. We get alot of gibs in the opener, vs KFC for example I can sometimes 50-0 the hunter before deter if i get 2 crits. I NEVER howling blast, its all Icy Touch for the purge, and I play full Haste + runic corruption + remorsless winter build.

BTW @ Eve and other frost DK enthusiats around here. Is it just me who thinks Soul Reaper is a wasted rune as frost? MY oblits hit as hard/harder and dont fucknig take 5 sec to tick, also dont have a health % requirement. Opinions? I rarley use Reaper unles i  know Im abotu to be peeled

Soul reaper is pretty much useless for frost.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 10:03 PM

Soul Reaper hits for like 25k as Frost is so dogshit I don't really ever use it except when I'm going for a kill on Hunters who still have deterrence (asphyx, turret damage, put up SR, even if they deter you still get some damage, won me a few games).

I've decided to stop playing Unholy and start focusing on Frost, I have some ideas on how to make it work I'll see what'll happen.
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Posted 11 April 2014 - 10:10 PM

Hit me with a PM we can discuss frost sometime Eve. I've given up unholy also pretty much for the rest of the xpac, focus on playing frost better and get ready to be a frost overlord in WoD. The patch notes are jut so juicy for frost.

I still think Blight, Lich, Asphyx, Pact, Corruption ,Winter is the way to go. Leech is viable also, blight is really nice for playing chillblains though to stay on target 100% unless hard-peeled.

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 12:46 AM

View PostSlaggy, on 11 April 2014 - 10:10 PM, said:

Leech is viable also,

Leech is viable as unholy if you're going totally single target comps like Phd / shd. It's quite incredible after emp 4 runes, 2 taps then a leech that's like 400k+ necros with cds up
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Posted 13 April 2014 - 02:57 AM

I just don't get how people can enjoy frost its so one dimensional as a spec.
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Posted 13 April 2014 - 03:55 AM

I wonder if weaponswapping would still be a viable option as frost. Only played my alt dk the first MoP season, and I was playing dual wield when pressuring to swap to 2h when going for the kill. It worked to a certain extend (not that I'm any good on dk though) as I felt back then there was sometimes downtime in the rotation to justify the weaponswap global.

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 08:26 AM

i dont feel like surv was a problem this xpac as frost. i dont know, maybe im just bad, but my surv is allways better then playing unholy.

my main problem is connecting with a target. wotlk and cata was like, frost got more ranged dmg than unholy. now unholy even got the better range dmg, so frost is kinda useless...

but maybe with full gear frost migth be good again, in wotlk and cata the last season was the best for frost. and i want dw back, was allways better, and now its fucked :/

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:57 AM

View PostBridgey, on 13 April 2014 - 02:57 AM, said:

I just don't get how people can enjoy frost its so one dimensional as a spec.
Yes, because Unholy isn't one dimensional, right?

Be careful with that bias.

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 11:31 AM

View PostForumz, on 13 April 2014 - 10:57 AM, said:

Yes, because Unholy isn't one dimensional, right?

Be careful with that bias.

Not close to as one dimensional as frost is. You're just as biased as him if you say UH is as one dimensional as frost.

I like frost from time to time but UH is just less one dimensional, theres no debate.

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 12:22 PM

View PostUrbandurban, on 13 April 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

Not close to as one dimensional as frost is. You're just as biased as him if you say UH is as one dimensional as frost.

I like frost from time to time but UH is just less one dimensional, theres no debate.
Both specs spam damage. The difference is that Unholy is more like an Affliction Warlock, without the CC, while Frost is more like a Sub Rogue or Arms Warrior, without the CC.

They're both one dimensional, but if you want to pick one over the other then you can have your opinion.

Edited by Forumz, 13 April 2014 - 12:24 PM.

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:12 PM

Unholy is no way one dimensional. The resource control is the hardest among all classes




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