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Posted 05 March 2014 - 12:39 AM

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Hi there, and welcome to the newest Warrior 5.4.7 guide! This guide is targeted at more advanced players (2.2-2.4), in contrast to Flavour's guide, which is targeted at newer players. As such, this guide will skip the more basic elements of warrior and the game as a whole such as keybinding and movement, and jump right into a higher level warrior explanation. So, let's begin!

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Recent Changes for Warriors in 5.4.7

In 5.4 warriors received a very important, albeit needed, change that really helped out the casters among our ranks – a nerf to the very annoying Disrupting Shout ability. The AOE pummel was previously able to be used in conjunction with or straight after a pummel, often requiring double faking from the caster and granting the warrior a ridiculous uptime on them for the first ~20 seconds of the game. Whether you play caster or not, I think we can all agree that this was an appropriate nerf to warriors, and took them one more step backwards towards ‘strong’ from ‘retarded’.

TL; DR – Disrupting Shout is now mediocre.

On a more general note, the new season started! And with it, more resilience! Resilience is now at a staggering 80% damage reduction, slowing the game down immensely. At the time of writing, slower comps like WLS or LSD work much better due to lack of burst and more spread pressure combined with dampening thanks to longer games. This will most likely change in the next few weeks though, as more and more people get weapons. Battle Fatigue is also up to 60%, slowing down healing. (Including Second Wind IIRC!)

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Talents and Glyphs

Warriors have been, for most of mop, quite cookie cutter in their spec. Some variations exist, but I feel that is better covered below.

The “Regular” Spec;
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This is what I use. This does, in my experience work well. It also seems to generate controversy over Double Time! Let me justify this. When I play Double Time it doesn’t give me a free pass the second I can’t slam the target to charge them; it means I have to play with it intelligently. This gives you pretty much 100% uptime on Mages, Hunters, Druids, other Warriors, Monks, and any other class I can’t think of right now that can use a blink/jump ability to get away from you. Generally saving one will pretty much always guarantee you can get back on a target only if you need to, for example if a mage blinks into a wall just into charge range; don’t charge him. As I don’t feel I’ve explained this very well; I’ll simply do some diagrams with epic photoshop skills.
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Heh. Anyway, this is “Situation A”. The Mage has just blinked away from you; and you have one charge on your charge left. The mage also has a 3rd partner who I forgot to draw, the druid, who has a clone out of the poly the mage just POM’d on your healer, who I also forgot to draw. Intelligent thing to do is to charge the druid on clone. Don’t charge the mage.
There is no situation B. I’m not putting myself through photoshop ever again. Anyway, it should be simple enough. Use Double Time smart, and it becomes much better than Juggernaut in my opinion.

TL; DR – Double Time versus high mobility casters/some melee/hunters, Juggernaut otherwise.

Second Wind, the tier 30 talent of choice for every warrior is simply the best – this is not up for discussion! It heals the most of all three talents, has 100% uptime (JK stunned.) and doesn’t require a keybind/button press.

TL; DR – Really? Its three lines. Go Second Wind.

Tier 45. Disrupting Shout vs Piercing Shout. This is something that sparked a debate in the other guide regarding which is better; in my opinion both are good! Piercing works well in pretty much every situation, hence it getting my preference. It is great for peeling, much better than the third alternative, staggering shout, as this breaks instantly on damage – this can save a shaman/holy paladin’s life versus KFC (I’m looking at you, Luddex.) or TSG. It can also land kills, say your other DPS is soloing something across the map and you got polied in Jamaica, saying hello to African children, you can slow the nearby healer without having to change target, slowing the time he can reach the target in and thus perhaps landing a kill. However, IMHO, Disrupting is still VERY viable, despite the recent nerfs. Against double caster teams I would argue this is a must, as landing a double kick on say, a Haunt + Lava Burst often could save defensive CDs. However outside of landing double interrupts it loses its value. Honestly, this tier is personal preference.

TL; DR – Disrupting is better versus double caster and Piercing versus pretty much everything else, however both can work well.

Bladestorm or Shockwave?! In previous patches Bladestorm has been very strong and viable, often carrying several different players to victory. No names. It typically works well in train the healer comps that already have a stun or in conjunction with storm bolt, also pretty good versus :rogue:  :mage: :druid: / :priest: – if you are quick, Bladestorm can be used as an extra trinket to get out of stunlocks, perfect for when you fuck up and trinket before bomb! The spread pressure from Bladestorm and Bloodbath is also beyond retarded if you time it well so the enemy team has double targets for you to cleave down. Although, any real Warrior uses shockwave. This spell has infinite utility, with unlimited targets, a short cooldown if you aren’t suffering from brain haemorrhaging, and actually ok damage in full gear. I won’t go into the full usage of the spell in every aspect. It’s an instant, AOE stun. I would use this 99% of games.

TL; DR – Shockwave is best IMO, however Bladestorm has some nice utility. (It breaks hunter traps/polies though so be careful!)

Safeguard is best here, MSR is no longer viable due to the added mobility from Safeguard. Not much else to say other than use it intelligently, make it a macro like the one that will be included down below, to intervene your teammates and thus they receive the damage reduction.

TL; DR – Safeguard.

Finally, Stormbolt or Bloodbath. Bloodbath works well with Bladestorm, I have also heard reports of killing monks in 2v2 with Bloodbath + Shockwave. It really has limited uses outside of this though. Stormbolt is 100x better IMO. Using it in KFC is a must, for trapping off of stuns and also in TSG or Kitty, where every quarter DR stun matters. Ranged stun, good damage on fully DR’d stun targets. Only real downside is the travel time, making it easy to meld or pregrounding (for trap afterwards.)

TL; DR – Stormbolt 9/10 times, Bladestorm for YOLOswag

On to the glyphs! Glyphs are simple for warriors, with only one interchangeable one IMO! (However, even this is debated, however I will discuss this in a moment.)

Mandatory Glyphs

Glyph of Death From Above – This gives you a 15 second cd reduction on Heroic Leap, making this glyph disgustingly overpowered. Must have for every comp/matchup in the game.

Glyph of Colossus Smash - Some warriors play without this. I personally wouldn’t. The damage difference on plate or even mail is noticeable and it feels really shitty applying weaken armor 3 globals every swap.

3rd Optional Glyph

Glyph of Shield Wall - This is sick versus teams that games last <2 mins against. RMD/P as notable examples, trinket + wall allows for them to restun you in the bomb and you should live if you wall at a reasonable time. 60% damage reduction is pretty fucking amazing.

Glyph of Mortal Strike - This glyph pretty much has the same overall effect as Shield Wall glyph, saving defensive CDs from both you and your healer, however is better suited to longer games, dotcleaves, and anything that doesn’t have a rogue. (Smoke Bomb counters you. Don’t die in it.)

Glyph of Bull Rush - When you simply are never, ever swapped to be a team, this gives you more damage. I don’t usually take this but if a TSG is just training shaman or something similar, it becomes alright, however even in this situation Blitz is stronger.

Glyph of Blitz - Perfect for peeling double melee. Not much else to save about this glyph. Combined with Double Time it becomes even stronger.

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Gearing and Gemming

Warriors are pretty cookie cutter with their gearing and gemming, much like talents. Max crit is currently the best way to go for Warrriors without a doubt. Crit gives enrage. Enrage = More rage + flat damage increase = damage increase. Also, Slam crits hard. And Recklessness and Skull Banner scale with Crit chance. So yeah. Everybody loves crit. Here is the typical gear layout for a warrior.
Mainset Helm, no other options here. No enchants available.
Grievous Gladiator’s Choker of Proficiency i.e Expertise + Crit. No enchants available.
Mainset Shoulders, no other option here. Enchant with Greater Tiger Fang Inscription.
Grievous Gladiator’s Cloak of Alacrity i.e Haste + Crit. Enchant with Superior Critical Strike.
Mainset Chest, again, no other options. Enchant with Glorious Stats.
Grievous Gladiator’s Armplates of Proficiency i.e Expertise + Crit. Enchant with Exceptional Strength.
Mainset Gloves, no other options. Enchant with Super Strength.
Grievous Gladiator’s Girdle of Prowess i.e Mastery + Crit. Enchant with a Living Steel Belt Buckle.
Mainset Legs, no other options. Enchant with Angerhide Leg Armor.
Grievous Gladiator’s Warboots of Cruelty i.e Crit + Mastery. Enchant with Pandaren’s Step.
Grievous Gladiator’s Signet of Accuracy + Grevious Gladiator’s Signet of Cruelty. Enchant with the ring enchant if you are a JC.
Double on use trinkets if human, if not proc trinket and Crit PvP trinket works best for orcs with engineering. (This is pretty much a must if you aren’t human.)
Meta Gem: Get two helms late season; one with the Tyrannical Meta Gem for teams that you can die against, otherwise play with a Reverberating Primal Diamond.
Yellow: Smooth Sun’s Radiance
Blue: Radiant Wild Jade
Red: Inscribed Vermillion Onyx
Notes: Gem two Smooth Sun’s radiance in legs, ignoring socket bonuses. Otherwise adhere to socket bonuses.

Reforging: 3% Hit = 3% Expertise > Crit > Mastery > Haste

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General Tips N' Tricks + Macros
The most important thing about playing a warrior is positioning and trinketing. If you can’t master these two things, you won’t get very far as a warrior. You should be able to know when and where a trap is coming; this was fairly easy for me to pick up personally as playing a priest I had to learn to death scatters and thus this aspect was relatively simple. I’ll try to explain this as best I can; the easiest way is to learn the people you fight against. This is more difficult at lower ratings where teams are sporadic but this is a guide aimed at 2.2+ where often there is maybe 5-10 teams queuing at one time. This can lead you getting the advantage by learning how the enemy hunter traps. Does he scatter first, or wyvern? Or perhaps off of storm bolt every time. Either way, acting like a druid or shaman preactively by leaping or intervening onto a trap destination before it’s even thrown is instrumental in your success rate. This really sets the men apart from the boys when it comes to Warriors.

The second most important thing is trinketing. As you only have one trinket (barring Zerker!) you are often a good swap target for stun teams like :rogue: / X / X ( :D ). Thus, against rogue teams I save trinket for bomb. If they bomb on you, often trinket + wall is a good decision if they pop blades. If they blind you and swap healer, you should trinket if you can help out and then you have to hold trinket for the next bomb. It sucks, but without trinket you have lost the game. This goes for deeps as well, however you can live through a deep without death.
As you play more games and gain more experience with your class, you will become better and better at pre swapping stances before swaps on you. If you get caught in battle stance in a dance/orb, they will force your trinket, meaning you have to end within a minute if they have bomb up. I can’t really give tips for this. It’s more of a general awareness thing – watch for the enemy team’s positioning, if they dot you up when they previously hadn’t, unleash elements from a Ele, etc. Just be careful and swap to D if you take damage. Bullrush comes in handy if you have to sit D stance but in no danger of dying, giving you much more rage.

Damage Rotation; Colossus > Mortal > Slam with CDs up, during CS window, or against casters. Overpower against melee, or hunters. Can also be good versus resto shamans / ele shamans.

Here is Veev's take on Slam vs Overpower.
"Slam does ~32994 damage on average for 25 rage (1320 damage per rage, counting the bonus damage from Colossus Smash). Overpower does ~14102 damage for 10 rage (1410 damage per rage, counting the increased crit chance). Overpower is not only more rage efficient, but also reduces the remaining cooldown of Mortal Strike (which in turn grants more rage and a more frequent chance at proccing the Enrage buff). And Overpower cannot be blocked, dodged, or parried. Slam has a 1.5s GCD, giving it around 21996 DPS, while Overpower has a 1.0 GCD, giving it around 14102 DPS. That DPS number is not including any of the added benefits mentioned for Overpower, which are difficult to quantify.

So while Slam does do better instantaneous DPS, it does not provide nearly as much sustained damage as Overpower. For this reason, I try to use Overpower as much as possible, except during burst windows where I may be able to score a quick kill. My damage priority order looks something like this: If Colossus Smash and Mortal Strike are available, use them (while trying to minimize clipping of CS debuff). If using one of those is going to put you over the rage cap, use a Heroic Strike as well. After that, if you have 70+ rage, use Slam -- otherwise, use Overpower. Try to avoid using Slam on enemies with a high dodge chance.
Finally, mocking gets stealth teams out. It works like flare and works amazing versus RMX that don’t expect it. This can save massive cds in the opener by preventing their opener.

Tier 60 Macro, i.e 'all in one bind'. Requires the macro to be called ''-'' (w.o quotes)
/cast Bladestorm
/cast Shockwave
/cast Dragon Roar
/script n_vt=GetSpellInfo(46924); n_pf=GetSpellInfo(46968); n_dm=GetSpellInfo(118000)
/run SetMacroSpell("-", GetSpellInfo(n_vt) or GetSpellInfo(n_pf) or GetSpellInfo(n_dm))

On-Use + Bloodbath
/use 13
/cast bloodbath

Stormbolt target + stopcasting, useful to stop cc/a heal halfway through a shatter.
/cast Storm Bolt

Focus stormbolt + stopcasting
/cast [@focus] Storm Bolt
/run MainMenuBarLeftEndCap:Hide();MainMenuBarRightEndCap:Hide()

Cancel Bladestorm/Bop (To do something while in a ''cc'')
#showtooltip symbiosis
/cancelaura bladestorm
/cancelaura hand of protection

Focus Charge
/cast [@focus] Charge

Demo Banner, for getting out of roots
#showtooltip demoralizing banner
/tar Mocking Banner
/tar Demoralizing Banner
/cast [help] Intervene
/cast Demoralizing Banner

DPS Intervene
/cast [@Intelivsød] Vigilance
/cast [@Intelivsød] Intervene

Focus Fear
/cast [@focus] Intimidating Shout

Focus Disarm
/cast [@focus] Disarm

Healer Intervene
/cast [@Hypersphere] Vigilance
/cast [@Hypersphere] Intervene

Random Intervene (useful in 2s or bgs when you haven't made macros!)
/cast Intervene

Mocking Banner, for getting out of roots
#showtooltip mocking banner
/tar Mocking Banner
/tar Demoralizing Banner
/cast [help] Intervene
/cast Mocking Banner

Focus Pummel
/cast [@focus] Pummel

Stance, all-in-one
/cast [stance:1] Defensive Stance
/cast [Stance:2] Battle Stance

Helm swap, I used this to swap between tyrannical meta and 3% crit.
/equip Grievous Gladiator's Plate Helm
/equip Grievous Gladiator's Plate Helm

#showtooltip Recklessness
/cast Avatar
/use 13
/cast Skull Banner
/cast Recklessness
/cast Bloodbath

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Viable Comps + Streams
Warriors are in a really strong position this season, being one of the more viable classes among the dozen melee. They have the most viable comps available to them, and together with the comp illustrated above, is one of the easiest and best classes in the game to reach high rating with. Take it from me ;). Here is a simple list of the best comps for warriors. This is done in DPS/DPS/Healer format.

:warrior: :warlock: :shaman: - WLS is one of the strongest comps in the game at the time of writing, with the lack of strong burst in the game the warlock slowly rots the whole team down while the warrior does whatever he wants. The main strat here is to spam fear as much as possible, do max PvE damage, and have the warrior swap on whatever he can hit. If you ever played RLS in cata, it feels pretty similar. Probably one of the easier warrior comps.
:warrior: :hunter: :shaman: - KFC is also probably one of, if not the best comp in the game. The sheer damage and cc this comp has is ridiculous. From a warrior's point of view you have two jobs; take traps and do damage. If you want to get plus 2.4 you also may need to throw a stormbolt into trap though ;). Tunnel one target all game, force all cds with reck and then kill with raw damage. I generally pop cds as soon as my proc trinket procs or when we land the first trap, which normally forces dispersion/block/bubble etc.
:warrior: :hunter: :paladin: - Paladin KFC; Similar to above, just slightly weaker due to hpaladin getting cc'd much more. Is definently viable though.
:warrior: :deathknight: :paladin: - Paladin TSG; Stupidly good, but not as good as monk is at the moment. Lack of gear means it isn't actually outhealable.
:warrior: :deathknight: Monk - TSG with monk. Oh boy. The main thing about this comp is to have your monk pop his cds instead of yours. This guarentees you win against every single RM/X team. Monks will never ever die, but you will. If rogue pops dance + blades in opener, have him bubble you and you can sit it (either dk or warrior.) and maybe AMS/Parry out if really needed but it shouldn't be. Freedoms + Sprint from monk is stupid for dk, considering their only weakness is mobility. I actually play stuns here, and have my dk go chillblains. Charge>Shockwave>Stormbolt>Gnaw>Strang will for sure force a trinket or a kill, either way. Pop cds early as soon as they have used the cc they have, and can't peel you that well.
:warrior: :druid: :paladin: - Kitty is super strong right now, feral mobility and your damage is enough as long as you train casters. Can be tough versus teams that spam cc though, or hunters who know how to scare beast. Main tactic is similar to TSG - TRAIN TRAIN TRAIN.
:warrior: :druid: :shaman: - Shaman Kitty; same as above with purges and less survivability.
- Boomer/Warrior; Train casters and turtle between beams; against no hex dispel teams should go similar to this; charge, stormbolt or shockwave, beam vortex/root, hex, double clone, restun. Strength comes from CC and healing output.
:warrior: :mage: :druid: - WMD; Stupid CC and pve damage every minute. Not going to talk about this comp.
:warrior: :shaman: :druid: - Thunder; not that strong ATM but will become more viable with more and more gear. If the druid can spam clones just hit whatever and hope for procs, as you get more damage the comp becomes better.
- Turbo; better version of kitty, same tactics, more cc.
:warrior: :shaman: :paladin: - Paladin turbo, ^.
:warrior: :priest: :shaman: - WPS, One of my favorite comps in the game, really nice swaps to healers and survivability. Charge>shockwave>blanket>restun>disarm stun on a healer with no trinket and 3 orbs is pretty much a gg no re.

And finally, good warrior streams!
https://www.twitch.tv/swifty - <3

And that’s it! Done! Thank you all for reading. Good night people! :D

Edited by jaimex, 22 March 2014 - 02:45 PM.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 12:45 AM

Not going to comment on the content because I don't play Warrior, but your formatting needs a lot of work. This isn't even remotely easy to read:


Break it up a little bit and add headings, subtitles, etc.

Edited by Snuggli, 05 March 2014 - 12:46 AM.

View PostBraindance, on 11 October 2013 - 12:44 PM, said:

Go listen to some Bieber shit and leave me alone fucko.

#3 jaimex


Posted 05 March 2014 - 12:46 AM

Hah, you're right, that section is a fucking wall. I'll change that tomorrow too.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 12:56 AM

Shorter guide


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Posted 05 March 2014 - 01:05 AM

Really good read, interesting points on talents and glyphs, definetley something i will be re-reading and testing, especially the points about Blitz glyph and double time, i've been pretty much faithful to juggernaut the entire season, with some formatting this definetley should be stickied as a much more indepth guide.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 01:09 AM

Str8 from pvpjunkieslive.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 01:28 AM

Nice guide thanks, however a little feedback, in most of the images its almost impossible to read titles.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 01:45 AM

What would you say is the biggest hurdle swapping from say, DK to Warrior. Are there any hurdles, changes in playstyle, tactic or whatnot.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 01:55 AM

[quote name='jaimex' timestamp='1393979983' post='4071524']
[b]Double on use trinkets if human[/b], if not proc trinket and Crit PvP trinket works best for orcs with engineering. (This is pretty much a must if you aren’t human.)

What's the reasoning behind double on use as human?

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 01:55 AM

[quote name='Evilcow' timestamp='1393984513' post='4071599']
What's the reasoning behind double on use as human?

I believe he meant double DPS. Not double on use.
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Posted 05 March 2014 - 02:00 AM

why isnt vexxius stream up there, or illoon. both better than veev but ok

#12 Aran32


Posted 05 March 2014 - 02:23 AM

Thanks for the guide it was a good read. I think a lot of people would appreciate if you added different comp strategies to your guide. Other than that I pretty much agree with you and I think you have an interesting point about Double Time against certain comps.

I tend to use the fear glyph (minor glyph) especially when playing KFC since it will make it even easier for your hunter to trap out of the fear.

Also this:
[quote name='Aces' timestamp='1393984559' post='4071602']
I believe he meant double DPS. Not double on use.
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Posted 05 March 2014 - 02:34 AM

[quote name='Aran32' timestamp='1393986238' post='4071620']
I tend to use the fear glyph (minor glyph) especially when playing KFC since it will make it even easier for your hunter to trap out of the fear.

Tips like these and the ones in this guide are why i come here, something i've never though of, and would help when i play kfc so much, thanks man, maybe Jamie can add it to the guide.
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Posted 05 March 2014 - 04:10 AM

I'm surprised nobody said the obvious xD

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 08:32 AM

View PostSlaggy, on 05 March 2014 - 01:45 AM, said:

What would you say is the biggest hurdle swapping from say, DK to Warrior. Are there any hurdles, changes in playstyle, tactic or whatnot.
DKs are pretty much are a harder warrior. You can swap pretty easily.

View PostEvilcow, on 05 March 2014 - 01:55 AM, said:

What's the reasoning behind double on use as human?
What flavour said.

View PostAran32, on 05 March 2014 - 02:23 AM, said:

Thanks for the guide it was a good read. I think a lot of people would appreciate if you added different comp strategies to your guide. Other than that I pretty much agree with you and I think you have an interesting point about Double Time against certain comps.

I tend to use the fear glyph (minor glyph) especially when playing KFC since it will make it even easier for your hunter to trap out of the fear.

Also this:
Thanks! On the fear glyph, I have tried it and didn't like it. One of the best things about fear is dispersing the positioning of the enemy team, and aslong as you can trap off stun it should be fine IMO.

I'll update the guide with macros + reforging + reformatting tonight. It came out a little different on here than MS Word xD.

Edited by jaimex, 05 March 2014 - 08:40 AM.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 10:03 AM

View Postjaimex, on 05 March 2014 - 08:32 AM, said:

Thanks! On the fear glyph, I have tried it and didn't like it. One of the best things about fear is dispersing the positioning of the enemy team, and aslong as you can trap off stun it should be fine IMO.

And 95% of the time, you're fearing a healer, and you just focus fear them with focus fear macro. Target of your fear always trembles in place.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 11:44 AM

He does effort to write a guide (a pretty good one even), and people come up with shit from his past. I'm not defending Jaime, don't get me wrong, I don't even know if he used interrupt hacks or not, why does it even matter in this thread? Community is pure aids.
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Posted 05 March 2014 - 02:27 PM

Any other warriors can weigh in on the double time choice? Is it worth it vs. some comps? Quite interested in playing it w/ Double time blitz
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Posted 05 March 2014 - 02:39 PM

To the people flaming jaime for apparently interrupt hacking in the past.

One of the major things discussed in that thread that i'm sure MOST of you have read (dont be an asshole) is how we (apparently arenajunkies) needs more guides for the noobshits that lurk here.

This is one of those guides. If you don't like jaime then go the fuck away. Don't read his guide. As i'm writing this there are 19 guests reading this post, meaning clearly it's informative enough for them.

I don't care what you think of him, he actually provided something to bring more people to our dying community. Better than you in that regard.

If you can't say something nice then say nothing at all and fuck right off.

To Jaime: The guide needs a bit better formatting. Try using bullets, or possibly different fonts for your comments about the sections.

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Posted 05 March 2014 - 03:41 PM

View PostRevolol, on 05 March 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:

And 95% of the time, you're fearing a healer, and you just focus fear them with focus fear macro. Target of your fear always trembles in place.
I tried it and didn't like it. Personal preference I suppose, my hunters never had trouble landing traps off stuns therefore there was never any need for it to be used :P

I'll address this once, I won't engage in a argument with anyone about it - I DID NOT INTERRUPT HACK. I proved I didn't by posting the E-mail blizzard sent me, and if you can find one piece of reliable proof proving I botted then I will agree with you. And no, that doesn't include getting banned.

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