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#121 battou64

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Posted 28 April 2014 - 02:18 AM

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The hog into meta shift is hotfixed unfortunaly :(
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Just to make sure, I did some testing, and it's not hotfixed, or at least not completely. On dummies, with no buffs or procs, at 544 ilvl and 29.93%(89.79% in meta) mastery, shadowflame ticks for ~5843-5844 with one application in caster form, and ~8536 with one application in meta. With two stacks, caster form was ticking for ~11.5k, and in meta was ticking for ~16.5-17k.

In any case, HoG still does more damage if you shift to meta right after casting. Test for yourselves if you care to.
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Posted 28 April 2014 - 02:33 AM

Eviaa, I am thinking of playing my mist weaver again. Problem is, I started to gear him for ww. So it would take some time to gear up. If you are serious though. I could use the help. That or maybe druid. They are the only healers I enjoy playing.
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Posted 12 May 2014 - 10:21 PM

I honestly don't understand how so many Demonology locks are against the use of GoSac. Having a pet stun doesn't seem to be worth losing the benefits of GoSac. When running with GoSup and a Wrathguard, my Wrathguard will total at about 10% - 20% of my total damage depending on the fight. When running with GoServ, I get a high burst, but when the player does not die from my first burst I am having to wait 2 min to get my Grimoire: Imp back, or have a weaker pet with no extra pet on my next burst. I personally am not a fan of Demonology pets to begin with. They have a chance of dying, being feared / CC'd, they do very low damage when compared to a class such as a hunter's pet even with Supremacy 20% increase and mastery build 30% increase to damage. Due to demonology being so dependant on their burst, I would much rather have a 25% increase to my damage than have a pet bladestorm / stun someone. GoServ could be viable, but I would like to have high damage burst's every 1 min over every 2 min. Also, running with GoSac helps a big Demonology issue which is sustained damage. Having a 25% damage increase to (basically) every spell we use helps your sustained damage, as well as your burst. This may be something I am just very bias on, but I have found the GoSac play style to be a much better way of doing PvP / arenas. I do not like looking at the other side of the room and seeing my pet feared into a wall, or having to hope he doesn't die after I use my instant respawn or wonder why he isn't Axe Tossing when I push Command Demon. The way I have been playing is with Glyph of Eternal Resolve, Imp Swarm and Healthstone. (No need for Demon Training with no demons :) ) Talents being DR, Shadowfury (no pet stun to diminish with), Soul Link, Blood Horror, GoSac and AD. Reasoning begind GoSac + Soul Link is due to DR + Healthstone glyph doing a ridiculous amount of healing when needed, prefer it over SacPac or DB any day.
Play style has just been HoG / Doom main target, corruption / CotE everyone, use MC procs / shadowbolt on CD. Heavy on the CC's. Burst when team is ready and spam ToC til' they die. With this set-up I run full mastery > crit > haste build. I have tried all the others that locks are talking about, and always come back to mastery build.

The only time I find myself out of this build is when I decide to run GoSup with the comp I am playing. I honestly don't understand why GoSac is looked down upon by so many locks. I honestly believe it is just as viable, if not more viable than either of the other choices. My choice on teir 5 talents would be GoSac > GoSup > GoServ.

Either way, I am open to all who oppose and would be willing hear other's opinions.
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Posted 13 May 2014 - 08:21 PM

Anyone know what kind of damage Demo warlock can do with skullbanner? Im gonna try play something like fury war demo lock rshaman all mastery gemmed and kill things in Coil. As fury warr I can do like 400k dmg in few globals if everything crits but can Demo lock finish? Even 100k per GCD would be enough :o
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Posted 13 May 2014 - 08:25 PM

you can do around 190k chaos waves max with banner, tailoring proc, jade spirit, trinket on use and proc + orc racial

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 08:25 PM

double post

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 08:27 PM

[quote name='battou64' timestamp='1398651483' post='4109766']
Just to make sure, I did some testing, and it's not hotfixed, or at least not completely. On dummies, with no buffs or procs, at 544 ilvl and 29.93%(89.79% in meta) mastery, shadowflame ticks for ~5843-5844 with one application in caster form, and ~8536 with one application in meta. With two stacks, caster form was ticking for ~11.5k, and in meta was ticking for ~16.5-17k.

In any case, HoG still does more damage if you shift to meta right after casting. Test for yourselves if you care to.
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oh, haven't noticed. The direct damage doesn't increase though, haven't paid enough attention to it i gues :D

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 08:29 PM

[quote name='battou64' timestamp='1398651483' post='4109766']
Just to make sure, I did some testing, and it's not hotfixed, or at least not completely. On dummies, with no buffs or procs, at 544 ilvl and 29.93%(89.79% in meta) mastery, shadowflame ticks for ~5843-5844 with one application in caster form, and ~8536 with one application in meta. With two stacks, caster form was ticking for ~11.5k, and in meta was ticking for ~16.5-17k.

In any case, HoG still does more damage if you shift to meta right after casting. Test for yourselves if you care to.
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seems like ur right

Edited by Sosseri, 13 May 2014 - 08:30 PM.

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 05:13 AM

Lol so what's the verdict
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Posted 14 May 2014 - 09:50 PM

I dont think its been completely fixed
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Posted 27 May 2014 - 04:42 PM

[quote name='Sosseri' timestamp='1400012708' post='4120103']
you can do around 190k chaos waves max with banner, tailoring proc, jade spirit, trinket on use and proc + orc racial
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Really? Why cant I see no demolocks then? 190k or 0.85*190k seems really fucking good dmg.
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Posted 27 May 2014 - 06:55 PM

Update to demo in 3v3 now using haste gems n forging haste to achieve 24.92% in arenas. More effective as far as fury regen and extra ticks on hand of g. Of course faster casts shorter gcd and more burst opportunities due to the faster regeneration of demonic fury.
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Posted 06 June 2014 - 11:22 AM

[quote name='Eviaax' timestamp='1401216956' post='4128917']
Update to demo in 3v3 now using haste gems n forging haste to achieve 24.92% in arenas. More effective as far as fury regen and extra ticks on hand of g. Of course faster casts shorter gcd and more burst opportunities due to the faster regeneration of demonic fury.
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I am gearing my lock now and playing Demo, at the moment I have gone the haste route, but wondering, since I only play two's, generally with another dps, mostly hunter, what stat is actually better for it? Mast v Haste.
Is the slightly faster fury generation worth the loss of damage from less mastery?
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Posted 06 June 2014 - 01:44 PM

For 2s I would go mastery crit. For 3s I go haste set up
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 08:06 AM

so like is it better to be troll as demo? cause that 20% haste will make your 2nd imp swarm pretty low off the bat! anyone got numbers for that? idk if i wanna race change to troll if i dont know lol! and why is sosseri going crit? thanks all!
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Posted 19 September 2014 - 09:10 AM

[quote name='Brazzerss' timestamp='1411113998' post='4212517']
so like is it better to be troll as demo? cause that 20% haste will make your 2nd imp swarm pretty low off the bat! anyone got numbers for that? idk if i wanna race change to troll if i dont know lol! and why is sosseri going crit? thanks all!
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hey, its better if you're orc for overall damage and burst, and why i go crit is just for fun. but for aerna you should mainly go mastery > haste > crit, Eviaaxs/epicburns method also works with haste above 24.93%+ > mastery > crit.
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Posted 20 September 2014 - 09:44 PM

lastly can someone weigh in when i should go supremacy or service? i like both im just a glad dk trying to learn other pet classessssssssss .thanks!!!
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Posted 23 September 2014 - 01:40 PM

[quote name='Brazzerss' timestamp='1411249475' post='4213642']
lastly can someone weigh in when i should go supremacy or service? i like both im just a glad dk trying to learn other pet classessssssssss .thanks!!!
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I feel that Service is better than Supremacy. Yes, Supremacy will boost our sustained damage, but I feel Demon Lord's sustained damage is too low for it to make much of a difference. The only thing Supremacy brings to the table is a better Mortal Strike.

Demon Lord is all about our dungo burst. Dark Soul + Service Imp + Imp Swarm + FelStorm + Meta is a lot of burst.

I'm no professional Demon Lord Dark Mage player, but I feel Service is the way to go.

Plus, the Wrathguard weapon bug really brustles my britches.
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Posted 23 September 2014 - 02:20 PM

I think everyone has their personal preferences. I personally like to go with supremacy because i don't really like to waste a global to do damage as demo, cause at high mmr you and your pet are just going to get spam cced + the mortal strike is huge compared to felguard, it really helps my dk and enhance partner. As i said doe, everyone has their personal preferences and i'm not saying service is not the right way to go, but I prefer supremacy.

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 05:10 PM

[quote name='Sosseri' timestamp='1411482013' post='4215880']
I think everyone has their personal preferences. I personally like to go with supremacy because i don't really like to waste a global to do damage as demo, cause at high mmr you and your pet are just going to get spam cced + the mortal strike is huge compared to felguard, it really helps my dk and enhance partner. As i said doe, everyone has their personal preferences and i'm not saying service is not the right way to go, but I prefer supremacy.
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But doesn't the Wrathguard glyph weapon bug brustle your britches????
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