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#1 Hankx

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 10:07 AM

Yesterday was playing arena like any "normal Ret" these days.. Here is the story

Ret/Hunter/Restoshamy "since it's the only comp!" VS RMD!

They open on the ret ofc the rogue was using Paralytic Poison For extra stun on Ret ,Ret was using Cleans on it all the time since it's poison was real good but here are we when this happen

---4 sec--> Cheap shot ---> his 50% HP

---4 sec--> Kidney shot ---> his 20% HP + Sac on him from hunter


Then this!
---4 sec--> Paralytic poison ---> He want to Bop his self BUT IT SAYS YOU CAN'T USE THAT WHILE IN STUN! Bubble on CD so he died like a Rat ..



So this is the question here

- Is it magic? If it's magic how can he Cleans it "Since cleans remove poisons as Ret"
-If it's physical? Why he can't remove it?


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PS / Any news about rets in PTR? thanks.

#2 Koly

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 10:34 AM

It's a poison/magical spell, it can't be bopped, it can be dispelled.

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- Is it magic? If it's magic how can he Cleans it "Since cleans remove poisons as Ret"
-If it's physical? Why he can't remove it?

You pretty much answered your own question here


But yeah paralytic poison is dumb as fuck. Oh you want to trinket a cheap/kidney shot at 25% health? Too bad, random para stunned on trinket every fucking time.

Edited by Koly, 09 February 2014 - 10:42 AM.


#3 Hankx

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 10:49 AM

How can it be poison/magic ?! i can cleans it but when the stun lands i can't bop it O_O my brain in my hands atm..

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 10:58 AM

outplayed by para

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 11:05 AM

yeah paralytic seems really buggy and rng based, sometimes I will dispel a 4 stack of it and get para stunned before my dispel comes off cd, also kinda dumb that it doesn't DR with other stuns (especially since we all went through the same thing with warbringer -> shockwave)

I guess because it's technically a "poison" you cant bop it yet the actual stun is a physical effect, it's pretty retarded imo

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 11:26 AM

warbringer wasn't rng though

View PostEsiwdeer, on 29 June 2014 - 10:58 PM, said:

But look how fucking dumb it was like, a bot could Drain Mana just like a bot could play Hunter ATM.

#7 Marshmellow

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 11:41 AM

View PostDoctor M, on 09 February 2014 - 11:26 AM, said:

warbringer wasn't rng though

I was talking about it being on the proc stun DR

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 11:58 AM

View PostMarshmellow, on 09 February 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:

I was talking about it being on the proc stun DR

Paralytic poison is on the proc stun DR because it is RNG...
Should be nerfed though, maybe change it to a root effect and have the shiv version be a stun on the controlled stun DR...

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 12:06 PM

View PostEvilcow, on 09 February 2014 - 11:58 AM, said:

Paralytic poison is on the proc stun DR because it is RNG...


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Stuns over 2 sec shouldn't be on that DR table

#10 Evilcow

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 12:43 PM

View PostMarshmellow, on 09 February 2014 - 12:06 PM, said:

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Stuns over 2 sec shouldn't be on that DR table

I like how you act all smart and yet reply to "warbringer wasn't rng though" with "I was talking about it being on the proc stun DR".
As if the two weren't related at all...

#11 mirox

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 12:46 PM

View PostHankx, on 09 February 2014 - 10:07 AM, said:

Yesterday was playing arena like any "normal Ret" these days.. Here is the story

Ret/Hunter/Restoshamy "since it's the only comp!" VS RMD!

They open on the ret ofc the rogue was using Paralytic Poison For extra stun on Ret ,Ret was using Cleans on it all the time since it's poison was real good but here are we when this happen

---4 sec--> Cheap shot ---> his 50% HP

---4 sec--> Kidney shot ---> his 20% HP + Sac on him from hunter


Then this!
---4 sec--> Paralytic poison ---> He want to Bop his self BUT IT SAYS YOU CAN'T USE THAT WHILE IN STUN! Bubble on CD so he died like a Rat ..



So this is the question here

- Is it magic? If it's magic how can he Cleans it "Since cleans remove poisons as Ret"
-If it's physical? Why he can't remove it?


Peace.!













PS / Any news about rets in PTR? thanks.

You know how? The same way that you cannot dodge DK asphyxiate with 100% evasion up, nor you can cloak it with cloak of shadows up which makes you unable to get any 'magic debuffs'. So, I guess its the same :)

Also, the stacking component of it is: http://www.wowhead.c...52#triggered-by, as you can see, nature.
And the proc is : http://www.wowhead.com/spell=108215, physical, but you know, the same type of 'physical' as asphyxiate.

I really dont understand what is unclear here :)

Edited by mirox, 09 February 2014 - 12:53 PM.


#12 Hankx

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 01:40 PM

View Postmirox, on 09 February 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

You know how? The same way that you cannot dodge DK asphyxiate with 100% evasion up, nor you can cloak it with cloak of shadows up which makes you unable to get any 'magic debuffs'. So, I guess its the same :)

Also, the stacking component of it is: http://www.wowhead.c...52#triggered-by, as you can see, nature.
And the proc is : http://www.wowhead.com/spell=108215, physical, but you know, the same type of 'physical' as asphyxiate.

I really dont understand what is unclear here :)

Still i can Bop DK stun, can't can't Bop the proc of this random stun BoP myself .. the thing is i can BoP others while that one them!
But can't BoP myself .. It's really unclear thing

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 01:53 PM

View PostHankx, on 09 February 2014 - 01:40 PM, said:

Still i can Bop DK stun, can't can't Bop the proc of this random stun BoP myself .. the thing is i can BoP others while that one them!
But can't BoP myself .. It's really unclear thing
Hey, dont kill the messenger! Ask blizzard, or dont, because the result will be the same :D

#14 Hankx

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 02:05 AM

Told ya it's sos fuckedup even GM's can't solve it

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 02:22 AM

View PostHankx, on 09 February 2014 - 01:40 PM, said:

Still i can Bop DK stun, can't can't Bop the proc of this random stun BoP myself .. the thing is i can BoP others while that one them!
But can't BoP myself .. It's really unclear thing

its a paralytic poison = you are paralized when stunned so you cant use anything and its not a physical ability like blind/rend/etc

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:08 AM

View PostHankx, on 09 February 2014 - 10:07 AM, said:

[...] Bubble on CD so he died like a Ret .. [...]
fixed that for you

#17 Structural

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 05:11 AM

jahmilli says RMD is fine and you have a hunter / shaman

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 06:32 AM

You can always drop a twitter to Celestion or Holinka for clarification, i highly doubt any of them play this game anymore to know that theres something wrong with it
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