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#21 Icekingx

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 04:36 AM

View PostOkayenhance, on 23 January 2014 - 04:16 AM, said:

Not to be mean but only the worst of the worst teams lose in the first 30 seconds. No matter what comp or spec.
I'm sorry but did you not play in S11? Triple dps not a ring a bell?

Edited by Icekingx, 23 January 2014 - 04:38 AM.

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#22 Aldrainíl

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 04:57 AM

i dont give a fuk about ascendance cuz most enhancement shams are mongoloids who just use it in opener and do nothing with it
ele blast every 12 secs with a chance to get globaled is retarded tho

#23 Dahjy

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 04:57 AM

With how enhance, rogue, mage, hunter, warrior is atm it makes me feel so worthless on my spriest, i look at mages and literally theres 0 setup to do damage, on my spriest it takes me 5 mins to get orbs and than get fucked using them to disarm because of how dumb burst is.. just waiting till WOD for balance blizz doesnt care atm
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#24 Braindance

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 05:31 AM

View PostDahjy, on 23 January 2014 - 04:57 AM, said:

With how enhance, rogue, mage, hunter, warrior is atm it makes me feel so worthless on my spriest, i look at mages and literally theres 0 setup to do damage, on my spriest it takes me 5 mins to get orbs and than get fucked using them to disarm because of how dumb burst is.. just waiting till WOD for balance blizz doesnt care atm
Let's act as if sps weren't gods for 2 seasons, and enhs, rogues and warriors weren't utter dogshit for 1.

It's not even bad now - after the armor buff and casting reductions removed there is a number of sps that gained good rating. Not to mention that sps when left completely alone do more damage than any other caster in the game - let's not forget about that.

Sps are bad is sooooo last month.

View Postjustchecking, on 10 November 2014 - 11:58 PM, said:

Going to blizzcon looking for a fight is like going to the official wow arena forums for pvp advice :)

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

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bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

#25 Paulweezy

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 05:50 AM

lock survivability vs constant dmg. hmmmm

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 06:02 AM

View PostBraindance, on 23 January 2014 - 05:31 AM, said:

Let's act as if sps weren't gods for 2 seasons, and enhs, rogues and warriors weren't utter dogshit for 1.

It's not even bad now - after the armor buff and casting reductions removed there is a number of sps that gained good rating. Not to mention that sps when left completely alone do more damage than any other caster in the game - let's not forget about that.

Sps are bad is sooooo last month.

I never said there bad i simply said how annoying it is playing the class in its current state, were the only class that has to constantly cast and with how many interrupts, stuns are in the current game its annoying.  Also enh/rogue were fine last season and warriors were absurd all of s12.  And name one other class that has to actually gain resources and cast as much as spriest?  

Mages can come out of stealth with orb/deep with blanket on heal and force so much shit by himself especially with a rogue.  Enh/warr can just swifty damage and have incredible mobility with multiple stuns/interrupts.

But you play a warrior you wouldn't understand
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 06:18 AM

View PostDahjy, on 23 January 2014 - 06:02 AM, said:

I never said there bad i simply said how annoying it is playing the class in its current state, were the only class that has to constantly cast and with how many interrupts, stuns are in the current game its annoying.  Also enh/rogue were fine last season and warriors were absurd all of s12.  And name one other class that has to actually gain resources and cast as much as spriest?  

Mages can come out of stealth with orb/deep with blanket on heal and force so much shit by himself especially with a rogue.  Enh/warr can just swifty damage and have incredible mobility with multiple stuns/interrupts.

But you play a warrior you wouldn't understand
I don't need to understand - for all I care the every single person that plays a caster thinks that just because his hands glow when they do damage or just because they have 2 more buttons for arena123 they are better than everyone else.

No.

I don't need to understand because casters have ALWAYS dominated the meta game since:
  • They bring spammable, chainable 8 cc
  • Their damage is ranged, meaning they can almost always have the positioning advantage
  • They tend to have utility far superior to melee, in the form of off heals and more cc
That stupid, 2009 argument of melee no skill yolo no longer applies. Melee were DESIGNED to do HIGHER DAMAGE than ranged when in MELEE range, and it's no longer true. That's why you bring a melee as a second dps - to end games faster. Yes melee can make less decisions than you all Harry Potters, which is a blessing for the new player and a curse for the more experienced one. Why? Because after a point you can reach your skill cap as a melee but you no longer have room for improvement, because you have a finite number of things you can do, when compared to say a caster dps that can conjure volcanoes and shower teammates with sparkling shit.

So yes, you deserve to not cast it was your choice when making a caster for pvp use - you bring more to the table so you should have some weaknesses as well. If you want good mobility and instants and all that shit your damage should be reduced by 30%. But that wouldn't be fun would it?

Take a look at fucking Wizardcon for half a decade now.

Just because mages are OP doesn't mean you should be as well.

I am representing every oppressed melee in the game going through all that shit storm of "no skill mongoloid blablahdsadsadasd".

Casters are the true mongoloids.

View Postjustchecking, on 10 November 2014 - 11:58 PM, said:

Going to blizzcon looking for a fight is like going to the official wow arena forums for pvp advice :)

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

#28 Okayenhance

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 06:25 AM

View PostIcekingx, on 23 January 2014 - 04:36 AM, said:

I'm sorry but did you not play in S11? Triple dps not a ring a bell?
Wtf does that have to do with anything


Enhance has stupid burst with cooldowns. Big deal. Mages do more damage 99% of the time every 30 fuckin seconds yet they bitch and whine like a bunch of dress wearing vaginas.

Who needs positioning when you can go full retard with blazing speed and blink, cast from 30+ yards out and all your spells are instant?


Orb + Deep with alter time is infinitely more damage than enhance burst is and surprise it's unstoppable damage for easily half the class in the game. If they want to go full mongoloid they can just use their sweet sweet iceblock or blink to get away and keep doing that great mongoloid damage. Enhance? I can't think of a class that can't at least stop a large portion of it.. (stuns, disarm, the bountiful spammable cc, all the surely needed defensives like 100% parry/evasion/immunities) except maybe shaman. Go figure.


Everyone just bitches about enhance because we've been dogshit for so long and we're melee. Nobody ever whines when jahmilli or mitchjones run in, cc a healer instantly while doing a million damage in 4 seconds while jumping. Try to peel that shit? They just YOLO block and laugh.

Edited by Okayenhance, 23 January 2014 - 06:37 AM.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 06:47 AM

The entire enhance spec needs to be redesigned, enhance outside of Asc literally has nothing but hopes that the next Elemental Blast will crit.

But as others mentioned aswell, i think its rather mage/rogue setup's ability to create an opening than enhance's added burst to the combo.

Theres so much stupid shit in this game :(
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#30 wodeta

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 07:00 AM

i don't think someone that plays rogue/mage can complain about enhanc when there's LITERALLY 5 times more mage/rogue than any enhanc comp, especially after goat nerf.
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 07:32 AM

yes i can

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 08:18 AM

How come nobody complains about warriors?

Yes mage/rogue is stupid, but look at warriors holy shit...
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 08:38 AM

Better nerf demo locks
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Edited by Sosseri, 23 January 2014 - 08:38 AM.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 08:41 AM

View Postcubas, on 23 January 2014 - 08:18 AM, said:

How come nobody complains about warriors?

Yes mage/rogue is stupid, but look at warriors holy shit...


cause everyone hates the synergy of mage+druid+rogue, so do we with KFC. But srsly rmd is fucking retarded, + instant 80k+ icelance, mage even using block as an offensive cooldown to get out of CC and not dying cause of retarded peels, ontop of that the 3second immunity against damage. Like why blizzard, Why was that glyph implemented?

Edited by Sosseri, 23 January 2014 - 08:49 AM.


#35 Sosseri

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 08:43 AM

Complaining about Enhance shamans is like complaining about demo locks, except having elemental blast that hits for fifty billion each 12 sec

Only reason ppl probably complain about enhance shaman is cause they synergize good with hunters and warriors.

There's no actual reason for a mage/rogue to complain about enhance shamans

Edited by Sosseri, 23 January 2014 - 08:57 AM.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 08:54 AM

View PostSosseri, on 23 January 2014 - 08:43 AM, said:

Complaining about Enhance shamans is like complaining about demo locks, except having elemental blast that hits for fifty billion each 12 sec

Only reason ppl probably complain about enhance shaman is cause they synergize good with hunters and warriors.
my god ur and ur demo spec, please shut up ur annoying.

#37 Sosseri

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:02 AM

View PostArtofmage, on 23 January 2014 - 08:54 AM, said:

my god ur and ur demo spec, please shut up ur annoying.

I know that my spec is annoying baby<3 makes me an annoying person to see toO, since i instant spam in illidan form with billion of pets. YOU in the other hand you're a mage, you know how fucking annoying your instant 80k+ instant ice lance spam in arena is? Blocking offensivly to continue doing damage with 3sec immunity with alter time, WITH NO ACTUAL FUCKING PUNISHMENT?

Sorry that i've played demo since i started in cata, and not being able to enjoying the other specs since i was a scrubnub.

Edited by Sosseri, 23 January 2014 - 09:06 AM.


#38 Toitles

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:04 AM

The fact that Nerve Strike+Subterfuge lets rogues pretty much shut down a team's offensive power between their cooldowns is a pretty gigantic deal, imo.  Blades burst might be kind of over the top but rogue debuffs make a bigger impact.

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#39 Moshe

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:06 AM

Every class is op but my class

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#40 Sosseri

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:07 AM

View PostMoshe, on 23 January 2014 - 09:06 AM, said:

Every class is op but my class

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