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#1 sethages

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 07:45 PM

I realise crit is important, but why do most top wars gem all crit ignoring socket bonuses?

Also, Why do they use JC crit gems over str gems?  crit gems are only 50% more stats but strength gems are 100% more stats

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 08:26 PM

when you crit you gain enrage and it ends up netting more overall dmg from enrage uptime versus the strength difference
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Posted 13 December 2013 - 08:36 PM

View Postsethages, on 13 December 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

I realise crit is important, but why do most top wars gem all crit ignoring socket bonuses?

Also, Why do they use JC crit gems over str gems?  crit gems are only 50% more stats but strength gems are 100% more stats

View PostMattadoro, on 13 December 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

when you crit you gain enrage and it ends up netting more overall dmg from enrage uptime versus the strength difference
It's not so simple - although for the current gear crit is slightly better, stats became very convoluted after the DW buff.

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View Postjustchecking, on 10 November 2014 - 11:58 PM, said:

Going to blizzcon looking for a fight is like going to the official wow arena forums for pvp advice :)

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

#4 sethages

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 08:37 PM

I can see that, but is 1.5% more chance to enrage better than almost 500 more AP?  Considering your overpowers are nearly 100% to crit?

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 08:38 PM

View PostBraindance, on 13 December 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

It's not so simple - although for the current gear crit is slightly better, stats became very convoluted after the DW buff.

DW?

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 08:38 PM

View Postsethages, on 13 December 2013 - 08:38 PM, said:

DW?
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View Postjustchecking, on 10 November 2014 - 11:58 PM, said:

Going to blizzcon looking for a fight is like going to the official wow arena forums for pvp advice :)

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 08:50 PM

View Postsethages, on 13 December 2013 - 08:37 PM, said:

I can see that, but is 1.5% more chance to enrage better than almost 500 more AP?  Considering your overpowers are nearly 100% to crit?

Overpowers aren't your main source of damage... And yes, last time I checked 1.5% crit ~= 1291 AP I believe...

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 08:52 PM

random slam crits win game

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:16 PM

View PostEvilcow, on 13 December 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

Overpowers aren't your main source of damage... And yes, last time I checked 1.5% crit ~= 1291 AP I believe...
where did you get that math?

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 02:20 AM

View Postsethages, on 13 December 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

where did you get that math?

Simcrafts with grievous gear, pvp spec, custom pvp priority, etc... It's not 100% accurate ofc, but it's close enough.

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 10:44 AM

PvP power gems guys

I promise
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Posted 15 December 2013 - 11:31 AM

View PostSpeedymart, on 15 December 2013 - 10:44 AM, said:

PvP power gems guys

I promise

PvP Power is actually close to Strength in value, but since gems give 320/160 crit and only 160/80 str/pvpp, you should gem crit > str > pvpp IMO (looking at damage only).

I gem like this:

Red Sockets: str+crit
Yellow Sockets: crit
Blue Sockets: crit+pvpp
Prismatic Sockets: crit

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 07:03 PM

View PostEvilcow, on 15 December 2013 - 11:31 AM, said:

PvP Power is actually close to Strength in value, but since gems give 320/160 crit and only 160/80 str/pvpp, you should gem crit > str > pvpp IMO (looking at damage only).

I gem like this:

Red Sockets: str+crit
Yellow Sockets: crit
Blue Sockets: crit+pvpp
Prismatic Sockets: crit

Now I'm fury gemming mastery

The 240k dragon roars are looking fresh (170k without avatar/banner)

Edited by Speedymart, 16 December 2013 - 07:25 PM.

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 07:08 PM

View PostSpeedymart, on 16 December 2013 - 07:03 PM, said:

Now I'm furry gemming mastery

The 240k dragon roars are looking fresh (170k without avatar/banner)

Have you tried it in 3s?

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 07:15 PM

View PostSpeedymart, on 16 December 2013 - 07:03 PM, said:

Now I'm furry gemming mastery

The 240k dragon roars are looking fresh (170k without avatar/banner)

gross m8
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Posted 16 December 2013 - 07:25 PM

View PostEzyo1000, on 16 December 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

Have you tried it in 3s?

Haven't yet. I dropped 7k or so today regeming and trying new shit out. I want to play with either another fury, or maybe a rogue/enhance. Hell even mage would probably work

Figure if we get anything below ~350k health we could just one shot them. Even if the ~200k+ dragons roar doesn't kill them, the 80k+ raging blows with the 70k auto attacks will probably finish the job. Or my partner with their one shot.

Edited by Speedymart, 16 December 2013 - 07:30 PM.

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 09:30 PM

View PostSpeedymart, on 16 December 2013 - 07:25 PM, said:

Haven't yet. I dropped 7k or so today regeming and trying new shit out. I want to play with either another fury, or maybe a rogue/enhance. Hell even mage would probably work

Figure if we get anything below ~350k health we could just one shot them. Even if the ~200k+ dragons roar doesn't kill them, the 80k+ raging blows with the 70k auto attacks will probably finish the job. Or my partner with their one shot.

Yea that would be pretty fun actually, I have been playing with TG is 2s just to get a feel with a crit build ect ect, I haven't tried Smf just yet but with only trink procs an DS 2x with enrage i have gotten 80k crits, with cds up i have hit people for easy 120k RBs, i dunno how hard smf rb burst is (i'll find out this week) But i know TG has some BIG hits

Though i would really say for Fury, running a rogue might be the best with damage mods and you would have sick openers with all your procs and trinks rolling at the same time.

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 10:38 PM

View PostSpeedymart, on 16 December 2013 - 07:25 PM, said:

Haven't yet. I dropped 7k or so today regeming and trying new shit out. I want to play with either another fury, or maybe a rogue/enhance. Hell even mage would probably work

Figure if we get anything below ~350k health we could just one shot them. Even if the ~200k+ dragons roar doesn't kill them, the 80k+ raging blows with the 70k auto attacks will probably finish the job. Or my partner with their one shot.

Sooo, is your build the best "Fury-Oneshot" build?

View PostEsiwdeer, on 29 June 2014 - 10:58 PM, said:

But look how fucking dumb it was like, a bot could Drain Mana just like a bot could play Hunter ATM.

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 11:45 PM

View PostDoctor M, on 16 December 2013 - 10:38 PM, said:

Sooo, is your build the best "Fury-Oneshot" build?

I think crit build is better.. Well atleast for TG i feel that way, there isn't enough damage going out otherwise and having 70% uptime on enrage (with crit buff) is huge

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:09 PM

View PostEzyo1000, on 16 December 2013 - 11:45 PM, said:

I think crit build is better.. Well atleast for TG i feel that way, there isn't enough damage going out otherwise and having 70% uptime on enrage (with crit buff) is huge

I  dont care for sustained damage, I'm wondering if its best to go 100% Mastery over everything, or if best to maybe go 50/50 Strength/Mastery or something. For a "One-shot" build with dragon roar and stuff.

View PostEsiwdeer, on 29 June 2014 - 10:58 PM, said:

But look how fucking dumb it was like, a bot could Drain Mana just like a bot could play Hunter ATM.




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