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#41 Nerdstomperr

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 06:49 AM

View PostRadejjj, on 11 December 2013 - 05:37 AM, said:

There has never been nor will there ever be a season where EVERY class is EQUALLY glad viable. Right now ANY class can get glad, and basically every spec. Less specs can get rank 1 right now, but given its like the top 200, any class except MAYBE deathknights can get rank 1 right now.

These are the statistics for gladiator in season 8

:priest: Priest: 291 - 15.08%
:paladin: Paladin: 288 - 14.92%
:shaman: Shaman: 279 - 14.46%
:warlock: Warlock: 233 - 12.07%
:warrior: Warrior: 189 - 9.79%
:mage: Mage: 161 - 8.34%
:druid: Druid: 148 - 7.67%
:hunter: Hunter: 143 - 7.41%
:deathknight: Death Knight: 104 - 5.39%
:rogue: Rogue: 94 - 4.87%

These are the current 2200 statistics, which is basically gladiator.
Warrior-17.9
Shaman-15.7
Mage-11.2
Druid-10.8
Priest-9.7
Hunter-8.8
Paladin-7.3
Warlock-6.7
Rogue-6.2
Deathknight-3.2
Monk-2.4

This obviously doesn't account for population differences, but I don't see that much difference in terms of parity. Some classes at the top, some classes in the middle, some classes at the bottom.


not sure why rogue is 3rd worst when rmd is like god comp of s12/13  must because  most of them are s11 rogues might exsplain why rogues are bad

#42 sounds

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 07:40 AM

Probably because rogues have one viable comp and even then only because druids/mages are bat shit retarded.

I'd love to see some high-level wmd vs rmd series.

#43 flannelsoff

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 07:46 AM

Every patch they attempt to fix a class yet another gets buffed and doesn't go into this vicious cycle for another few months or so, imo it just makes the game pointless to play not to mention the community has gone to shit

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 09:06 AM

View PostNerdstomperr, on 15 December 2013 - 06:45 AM, said:

that's why the 1 and 2 spot on the 3v3 ladder is a pally right

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View PostReedztv, on 15 December 2013 - 03:01 AM, said:

Paladins are fine. You just need to get Jahmilli to carry your class like Gs last season or Elite this season.


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Posted 15 December 2013 - 09:27 AM

Kidding? TSG/KFC/turbo/beastcleave all T1... Stop being a little bitch.
brb everyone

#46 kubu

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 09:55 AM

View PostAbolishedhey, on 15 December 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

Kidding? TSG/KFC/turbo/beastcleave all T1... Stop being a little bitch.
have you seen holy representation though?

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 10:38 AM

some of you guys defending s8 poorly are making the more logical wotlk apologists (like me hehe) look really bad
S8 had a ton of problems, and some of the same+more problems on AT. I have yet to play a competitive game that doesn't have problems though, especially this one. Heroic trinkets and shadowmourne did make retail worse than it should have been, but the low level of play overall also made s8 look worse on retail. Resto druids were not the best, even though we thought they were, so representation is not how it should have been. I don't love s8 because of the balance. I love s8 because without heroic trinkets/shadowmourne, the game actually feels damn solid, and the meta is enjoyable enough to ensure continuous play. Arena tournament has proved that s8, without shadowmourne and heroic trinkets, is a good enough of a game to withstand years of play with decent/active participation over the years. I used to think s7 was like the god of seasons, but it must be taken into account what the season would be like if it were played for years like s8 has been. . . most likely it would be World Of ATCRaft because that comp got so many nerfs going into s8, and yet it's still top tier there

Different strokes different folks, but I stand by the belief that the love for wotlk does not truly stem from balance. . . it stems from the integral gameplay--- just how the game felt

I want to play a game that feels and functions like world of warcraft arena, which currently gives me basically 3 options: retail pandas, AT cata, or AT Wotlk. . . (No bc because that game is unaplayble now). I've played and seen em all, and there's one that I've just stuck by. It just feels the most fast paced and the most enjoyable.
You should play and endorse what you want though, so it's not fair to just go ham in and try to discredit someone for not unconditionally citing and respecting things from wotlk.

Edited by ROKMODE, 15 December 2013 - 10:42 AM.

Expect bias in posts because
Wotlk is the best thing since sliced bread

#48 AxiomDK

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 11:58 AM

View Postkubu, on 11 December 2013 - 03:20 AM, said:

We are still the easiest class to CC and global. Our heals are useless unless we have our limited cool downs running and even then we usually just get cc'd.

Wrong. You're bad and you should feel bad.

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#49 jaimex

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 12:09 PM

View PostAbolishedhey, on 15 December 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

Kidding? TSG/KFC/turbo/beastcleave all T1... Stop being a little bitch.

kfc, maybe turbo if you get lucky queues, otherwise, no.

#50 kubu

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 04:59 PM

View PostAxiomDK, on 15 December 2013 - 11:58 AM, said:

Wrong. You're bad and you should feel bad.

http://puu.sh/5NjIG.png

So out of 119 teams there are 7 holy paladins, three of whom are the same person.

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 05:24 PM

View Postkubu, on 15 December 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

So out of 119 teams there are 7 holy paladins, three of whom are the same person.

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Compared to DKs, you have it real good.

Let me illustrate:

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Be glad you're atleast in the top 50.
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Posted 15 December 2013 - 05:27 PM

im not sure why people think palas are bad this patch. played some pala shatter yesterday (paladin and shadowpriest on the same team omG) and it went fine. we stood a chance vs some of the top teams on EU and every game was even :) obviously we would of done better with a druid and in some matchups a resto shaman, but paladins are by no means bad

#53 jaimex

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 05:29 PM

View Postscuzfail, on 15 December 2013 - 05:27 PM, said:

im not sure why people think palas are bad this patch. played some pala shatter yesterday (paladin and shadowpriest on the same team omG) and it went fine. we stood a chance vs some of the top teams on EU and every game was even :) obviously we would of done better with a druid and in some matchups a resto shaman, but paladins are by no means bad

were you ddosing or something cause i heard you say you had a priest on your team

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 06:17 PM

View PostUrbandurban, on 15 December 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

Compared to DKs, you have it real good.

Assuming a perfectly even spec spread/distribution, and assuming 2dps/1healer teams and no tank specs, then ..

-> 33.3 healer spots (6 healing specs) = there would be 5.55% holy paladins in the top 100
-> 66.6 dps spots (22 dps specs)  = there would be 3.02% unholy dk's in the top 100

Or comparing a healer spec representation with a dps spec representation doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 06:32 PM

View Postzenga, on 15 December 2013 - 06:17 PM, said:

Assuming a perfectly even spec spread/distribution, and assuming 2dps/1healer teams and no tank specs, then ..

-> 33.3 healer spots (6 healing specs) = there would be 5.55% holy paladins in the top 100
-> 66.6 dps spots (22 dps specs)  = there would be 3.02% unholy dk's in the top 100

Or comparing a healer spec representation with a dps spec representation doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

So if you dont want to compare the 2 because it's a dps vs heal spec (derp, it's viability either way) then compare ret to DK, there's still more rets in top 50 than there are DK's.
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Posted 15 December 2013 - 07:00 PM

View PostUrbandurban, on 15 December 2013 - 06:32 PM, said:

(derp, it's viability either way)
Well the entire point I tried to make is that if each spec would be equally viable (and played), then there would be (roughly) double the amount of holy paladins as there would be unholy dk's in the top 100, and that has all to do with the fact that a team has 1 healer spot and there are 6 healing specs, and that a team has 2 dps spots for 22 specs.

View PostUrbandurban, on 15 December 2013 - 06:32 PM, said:

then compare ret to DK, there's still more rets in top 50 than there are DK's.
That's a perfectly viable comparison to make your point.

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 07:08 PM

View Postzenga, on 15 December 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

Well the entire point I tried to make is that if each spec would be equally viable (and played), then there would be (roughly) double the amount of holy paladins as there would be unholy dk's in the top 100, and that has all to do with the fact that a team has 1 healer spot and there are 6 healing specs, and that a team has 2 dps spots for 22 specs.

Far from all 22 DPS specs are viable for arena though. Most classes have 1 spec viable, not all.
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Posted 15 December 2013 - 07:57 PM

Paladins are fine.
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Posted 15 December 2013 - 07:59 PM

View PostMagxTv, on 15 December 2013 - 07:57 PM, said:

Paladins are fine.

Why, because you can bladestorm your way to victory? Lol.

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 09:31 PM

And you cant? Palas are fine.
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