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#1 kubu

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:20 AM

5.4.2 is upon us and holy paladins are still absolute crap. Teams are still better off with practically any other healer. We are still the easiest class to CC and global. Our heals are useless unless we have our limited cool downs running and even then we usually just get cc'd. I guess we are never getting a balanced season 8 ever again. /pray for heroes of storm beta key
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#2 Velayn

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:23 AM

I can't hear you over the fact of a paladin being rank 1 US.

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:27 AM

View PostVelayn, on 11 December 2013 - 03:23 AM, said:

I can't hear you over the fact of a paladin being rank 1 US.
Pallies aren't terrible right now, but we're still certainly bottom tier. Elite plays with jah sooooo.....your argument is void.

Edited by Coconutciroc, 11 December 2013 - 03:28 AM.


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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:35 AM

why take a holy pally in a comp where you can do better with an rsham or rdruid

I don't think holy is too bad

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:36 AM

View PostCoconutciroc, on 11 December 2013 - 03:27 AM, said:

Pallies aren't terrible right now, but we're still certainly bottom tier. Elite plays with jah sooooo.....your argument is void.

What he said
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:36 AM

no but priest and stuff.. ah fuck it

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:01 AM

During season 8, Resto Druid was far better than any other healer.

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:14 AM

View Postkubu, on 11 December 2013 - 03:20 AM, said:

. I guess we are never getting a balanced season 8 ever again.

Why are people this delusional?

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:15 AM

I'm not a doctor, and I havn't played paladin in a super long time, but I think that they're pretty good right now. It's not as easy to CC them as it used to be, as you can put out a ton of healing as a paladin now via instant cast (or really fast casts). They have great spread healing and single target healing both, as well. Their wall is so nice as you can pop it while stunned, and it's especially sick when they play the talent with a shorter CD on it (30 sec i think? nerfing almost every swap onto the paladin by a nice chunk). It's difficult to just train a paladin because of freedom / their sprint, and they can have some sick CC (I think fist of justice is crazy strong (instant cast, s hort CD, long range, long duration, no prereq).

I think the lack of success overall for paladins is due to the fact that the comps they are strong in aren't as strong or common now, not because they are extremely weak. Mage rogue / warrior rogue are two of the strongest comps and paladins just don't really fit in the best, so it's tough to find players, especially good ones, that will run it with a paladin.

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:20 AM

View PostRadejjj, on 11 December 2013 - 04:14 AM, said:

Why are people this delusional?

Virtually every class/spec had an equal shot at gladiator, maybe not rank 1 viable but certainly glad viable. I don't know what you consider balanced but that is pretty damn close.
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:32 AM

View Postkubu, on 11 December 2013 - 04:20 AM, said:

Virtually every class/spec had an equal shot at gladiator, maybe not rank 1 viable but certainly glad viable. I don't know what you consider balanced but that is pretty damn close.

Every class, except maybe DK's has something rank 1 viable right now, and every class can get glad right now, does that mean the seasons balanced? Season 8 was LSD, pve gear, the remnants of prot warriors/atc, more pve gear, wizards, and double healer, and resto druids were far and away the best healers.

I'm not saying it was terrible, but every season has been basically the same with the exceptions of s5/12 probably being the worst. Every season has classes/specs/comps that are far and away the best, and classes/specs that are the worst. It just makes me laugh when people nostalgia all over s4/8 like they were any better then the average season.

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:42 AM

View PostRadejjj, on 11 December 2013 - 04:32 AM, said:

Every class, except maybe DK's has something rank 1 viable right now, and every class can get glad right now, does that mean the seasons balanced? Season 8 was LSD, pve gear, the remnants of prot warriors/atc, more pve gear, wizards, and double healer, and resto druids were far and away the best healers.

I'm not saying it was terrible, but every season has been basically the same with the exceptions of s5/12 probably being the worst. Every season has classes/specs/comps that are far and away the best, and classes/specs that are the worst. It just makes me laugh when people nostalgia all over s4/8 like they were any better then the average season.

Every class is not equally glad viable this season. look at representation stats for season 8 it was the most balanced. Every version of wiz cleave, double healer, beast cleave....basically everything could get gladiator. This season is crap compared to 8 because there isn't an equal need for all classes in all comps. Try being a holy paladin right now.
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:46 AM

anyways this post isn't about season 8 it's about blizzards inability to balance a class for more than two seasons
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 05:37 AM

View Postkubu, on 11 December 2013 - 04:42 AM, said:

Every class is not equally glad viable this season. look at representation stats for season 8 it was the most balanced. Every version of wiz cleave, double healer, beast cleave....basically everything could get gladiator. This season is crap compared to 8 because there isn't an equal need for all classes in all comps. Try being a holy paladin right now.

There has never been nor will there ever be a season where EVERY class is EQUALLY glad viable. Right now ANY class can get glad, and basically every spec. Less specs can get rank 1 right now, but given its like the top 200, any class except MAYBE deathknights can get rank 1 right now.

These are the statistics for gladiator in season 8

:priest: Priest: 291 - 15.08%
:paladin: Paladin: 288 - 14.92%
:shaman: Shaman: 279 - 14.46%
:warlock: Warlock: 233 - 12.07%
:warrior: Warrior: 189 - 9.79%
:mage: Mage: 161 - 8.34%
:druid: Druid: 148 - 7.67%
:hunter: Hunter: 143 - 7.41%
:deathknight: Death Knight: 104 - 5.39%
:rogue: Rogue: 94 - 4.87%

These are the current 2200 statistics, which is basically gladiator.
Warrior-17.9
Shaman-15.7
Mage-11.2
Druid-10.8
Priest-9.7
Hunter-8.8
Paladin-7.3
Warlock-6.7
Rogue-6.2
Deathknight-3.2
Monk-2.4

This obviously doesn't account for population differences, but I don't see that much difference in terms of parity. Some classes at the top, some classes in the middle, some classes at the bottom.

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 07:45 AM

View Postkubu, on 11 December 2013 - 04:42 AM, said:

look at representation stats for season 8 it was the most balanced
out of interest, did you pick season 8 at random without looking at any % player stats at all, or was season 8 just the season with the highest pala glad representation that you could find so you went with that one as the "most balanced"?

View PostPouncedd, on 12 June 2014 - 01:51 AM, said:

Feel free to call me an idiot because I'm a hunter or some stupid ass remark but I've actually written all this down on paper and have looked at the numbers comparatively for almost every class

View PostJontex, on 23 June 2014 - 04:48 PM, said:

I actually made an appearance at DH2014 and I met up with people from twitch who were involved with the dota 2 / cs tournies that where there, I talked about the game from my perspective as a professional player and we actually shared a lot of opinions. All I'm saying is a lot of people will be VERY surprised about the future of this game in the esport world :)

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 07:59 AM

View PostRadejjj, on 11 December 2013 - 05:37 AM, said:

There has never been nor will there ever be a season where EVERY class is EQUALLY glad viable. Right now ANY class can get glad, and basically every spec. Less specs can get rank 1 right now, but given its like the top 200, any class except MAYBE deathknights can get rank 1 right now.

These are the statistics for gladiator in season 8

:priest: Priest: 291 - 15.08%
:paladin: Paladin: 288 - 14.92%
:shaman: Shaman: 279 - 14.46%
:warlock: Warlock: 233 - 12.07%
:warrior: Warrior: 189 - 9.79%
:mage: Mage: 161 - 8.34%
:druid: Druid: 148 - 7.67%
:hunter: Hunter: 143 - 7.41%
:deathknight: Death Knight: 104 - 5.39%
:rogue: Rogue: 94 - 4.87%

These are the current 2200 statistics, which is basically gladiator.
Warrior-17.9
Shaman-15.7
Mage-11.2
Druid-10.8
Priest-9.7
Hunter-8.8
Paladin-7.3
Warlock-6.7
Rogue-6.2
Deathknight-3.2
Monk-2.4

This obviously doesn't account for population differences, but I don't see that much difference in terms of parity. Some classes at the top, some classes in the middle, some classes at the bottom.

Lets be real though, that's likely to change.

Every class has always been glad viable, if you get to play with the right people. Same goes for DK's this season. Katsoura will get glad on EU cause he was able to play with Melby and Xuna early season and had great success. Now? I dont even think they're trying anymore because boomies get totally ass raped by people in full gear. Whos facing a DK or boomie on a regular basis in 3s? I sure aint. Paladins on the other hand are a bit more common.

Not name dropping though.
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 08:23 AM

View PostRadejjj, on 11 December 2013 - 05:37 AM, said:

There has never been nor will there ever be a season where EVERY class is EQUALLY glad viable. Right now ANY class can get glad, and basically every spec. Less specs can get rank 1 right now, but given its like the top 200, any class except MAYBE deathknights can get rank 1 right now.

These are the statistics for gladiator in season 8

:priest: Priest: 291 - 15.08%
:paladin: Paladin: 288 - 14.92%
:shaman: Shaman: 279 - 14.46%
:warlock: Warlock: 233 - 12.07%
:warrior: Warrior: 189 - 9.79%
:mage: Mage: 161 - 8.34%
:druid: Druid: 148 - 7.67%
:hunter: Hunter: 143 - 7.41%
:deathknight: Death Knight: 104 - 5.39%
:rogue: Rogue: 94 - 4.87%

These are the current 2200 statistics, which is basically gladiator.
Warrior-17.9
Shaman-15.7
Mage-11.2
Druid-10.8
Priest-9.7
Hunter-8.8
Paladin-7.3
Warlock-6.7
Rogue-6.2
Deathknight-3.2
Monk-2.4

This obviously doesn't account for population differences, but I don't see that much difference in terms of parity. Some classes at the top, some classes in the middle, some classes at the bottom.
Need to buff dks and rogues geez we r sucking on both charts

Iam trying to under stand the Op post So u want palis to be where on this list ?

Edited by Silhin, 11 December 2013 - 08:27 AM.


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Posted 11 December 2013 - 10:28 AM

S8 was one of the worst, also made me quit back then. Ele Warlock in every fucking comp, much balance, such fun, great joy, oh right, Warriors with Legendary and Heroic trinket, such bladestorm
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Posted 11 December 2013 - 11:32 AM

View PostRadejjj, on 11 December 2013 - 05:37 AM, said:

These are the current 2200 statistics, which is basically gladiator.

Jesus.

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 11:44 AM

View PostRadejjj, on 11 December 2013 - 05:37 AM, said:

There has never been nor will there ever be a season where EVERY class is EQUALLY glad viable. Right now ANY class can get glad, and basically every spec. Less specs can get rank 1 right now, but given its like the top 200, any class except MAYBE deathknights can get rank 1 right now.

These are the statistics for gladiator in season 8

:priest: Priest: 291 - 15.08%
:paladin: Paladin: 288 - 14.92%
:shaman: Shaman: 279 - 14.46%
:warlock: Warlock: 233 - 12.07%
:warrior: Warrior: 189 - 9.79%
:mage: Mage: 161 - 8.34%
:druid: Druid: 148 - 7.67%
:hunter: Hunter: 143 - 7.41%
:deathknight: Death Knight: 104 - 5.39%
:rogue: Rogue: 94 - 4.87%

These are the current 2200 statistics, which is basically gladiator.
Warrior-17.9
Shaman-15.7
Mage-11.2
Druid-10.8
Priest-9.7
Hunter-8.8
Paladin-7.3
Warlock-6.7
Rogue-6.2
Deathknight-3.2
Monk-2.4

This obviously doesn't account for population differences, but I don't see that much difference in terms of parity. Some classes at the top, some classes in the middle, some classes at the bottom.

Flawed statistics. You have to break it down into spec. A guardian druid can hardly be glad viable. Some classes had 3 viable specs others had 1 or 2. Of course complete balance is impossible but season 8 is the closest it has ever gotten. Please name 1 class in season 8 which would have serious problems as a whole in getting gladiator.

Just to be clear. You're saying that Holy paladins are fine, priests are fine, this game is fine and that there is a season that was more balanced than season 8?
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