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#61 Hackattack3

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 04:17 AM

View PostROKMODE, on 15 November 2013 - 10:33 PM, said:

who the fuck calls prot/hunter/pally KFC? That's an inbred name for the rise of the arms iteration in Shitaclysm
the melee statement is also false


I think there needs to be a line drawn between BALANCE and MECHANICS. MOP balance is not that bad compared to WoW's arena history, but in general the mechanics are terrible and the gameplay in general has devolved to a point of no return. It's less about fundamentals like it was in BC/Wrath and more about CD management and abusing disgustingly overpowered abilities.

tl;dr balance good, framework bad, and it's disgusting how you guys won't let someone have his or her own opinion just because it doesn't match with your own

Most informative post in this thread the rest of you are inbreds.

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 04:50 AM

View PostHyuru, on 16 November 2013 - 02:45 AM, said:

my god hadouken, used to listen to them back when i was 16 , nostalgia.

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 04:50 AM

View PostHyuru, on 16 November 2013 - 02:45 AM, said:

dbl post

Edited by Yarmyxx, 16 November 2013 - 04:55 AM.


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Posted 16 November 2013 - 04:55 AM

View PostDimyzuka, on 15 November 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

What's this rubbish about s8 being the perfect balanced season. Do people forget how stupid wizcleaves with bloodlust were. The only viable melee in s8 were prot wars running KFC, pure joke of a season.
only prot wars viable?how about rls and rmp rogues?how about arms warriors?how about enha shamans and hunters?

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 06:13 AM

View PostTteSPORTSDoomsen, on 15 November 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:

There were soo many viable comps actually, you just listed two of the better comps.

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 08:34 AM

View PostPsychonautic, on 16 November 2013 - 12:51 AM, said:

i put money on it sodah and talb are having sex.

+1 for the anime club president though

So I wasn't the only one who noticed all the sexual tension?

no homo

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 09:00 AM

View Postdj_abdullah, on 15 November 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

@Kannetix: Even counterstrike isn't completely balanced.
1.6 was pretty damn close. Completely different genre, though. No idea why arena is being compared to it.
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Posted 16 November 2013 - 09:49 AM

he played against the top eu team which was a god comp who essentially lost for having the audacity to bring people who cast spells into the same arena as a warlock and shaman

what is he supposed to do? tell her that the game is such that the other team is disadvantaged to the point where playing classes that people in the crowd have more experience on gives them a better chance to win? or that half the field looked like target dummies that might have lost if they could bring four people in the arena? or that of the two blizzcons in this era, one was played in a patch that ruined the competition, and another played by teams that didn't even qualify in the same expansion?

why are you guys being negative? it's not a longstanding pattern of negligence toward easily solved problems that has ruined the integrity of the biggest and only remaining live arena tournament left

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 12:25 PM

View Postdj_abdullah, on 15 November 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

@Kannetix: Even counterstrike isn't completely balanced.

@OP: If the game isn't fun or enjoyable for you anymore why not try to find another one that is? Instead of lurking on arenajunkies and complaining about it whenever the opportunity arises.

Do explain how CS is not balanced.

Some maps favor one side but you will always play both sides so you're not exactly at an disadvantage by playing as T first on for example train.(All maps are resonably balanced, usually it's 51% to CT and 49% round wins for Ts so it's nothing major).

Some guns are better at some areas of the map too but as you'll have the chance to play on that spot yourself too that doens't make it imbalanced.

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 04:16 PM

View PostMirionx, on 16 November 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:

Do explain how CS is not balanced.

Some maps favor one side but you will always play both sides so you're not exactly at an disadvantage by playing as T first on for example train.(All maps are resonably balanced, usually it's 51% to CT and 49% round wins for Ts so it's nothing major).

Some guns are better at some areas of the map too but as you'll have the chance to play on that spot yourself too that doens't make it imbalanced.

Not the point of the thread because WoW and CS are two completely different games but sure.

For 1.6, do you think its balanced that Ts get access to the AK at a much cheaper price (with higher base damage, near perfect accuracy on the first shot fired) than the CT alternative the colt (which does less damage, costs more, is slightly more accurate and has the option of a silencer)?

As for CSGO, its the opposite, the M4A1 is the better of the two.

The point was that no game is perfectly balanced and comparing WoW to CS is dumb.

e; Thats not even taking into account obvious map balance issues (even though its not as apparent in professional games). eg; Terrorists on cs_assault

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 04:26 PM

View Postdj_abdullah, on 16 November 2013 - 04:16 PM, said:

Not the point of the thread because WoW and CS are two completely different games but sure.

For 1.6, do you think its balanced that Ts get access to the AK at a much cheaper price (with higher base damage, near perfect accuracy on the first shot fired) than the CT alternative the colt (which does less damage, costs more, is slightly more accurate and has the option of a silencer)?

As for CSGO, its the opposite, the M4A1 is the better of the two.

The point was that no game is perfectly balanced and comparing WoW to CS is dumb.

e; Thats not even taking into account obvious map balance issues (even though its not as apparent in professional games). eg; Terrorists on cs_assault

Yes I find it balanced that Ts get different weapons from CTs because of the different ways you play. If Ts didn't get weapons early and their equipment were cheaper they would never be able to get full gear. They're already the team under pressure because of the 1.45 round time.

In CS you got something called "Peakers advantage" which CTs will almost always get if they're not playing poorly or moving badly. It means that if you're the one holding an angle you will most likely see the other person before he sees you and if Ts didn't have the oneshot possibility with the AK Ts would be extremely underpowered on almost every single map.

From what I can see you don't really have much experience playing CS so of course the game might seem unbalanced to you but the only imbalances weren't the weapons it was the maps which wouldn't be fun watching if they were 100% balanced.

And I'm obviously not going to respond to non competitive maps like assult, they were never even attempted to be balanced.

Edited by Mirionx, 16 November 2013 - 04:43 PM.


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Posted 16 November 2013 - 04:27 PM

View Postdj_abdullah, on 16 November 2013 - 04:16 PM, said:

Not the point of the thread because WoW and CS are two completely different games but sure.

For 1.6, do you think its balanced that Ts get access to the AK at a much cheaper price (with higher base damage, near perfect accuracy on the first shot fired) than the CT alternative the colt (which does less damage, costs more, is slightly more accurate and has the option of a silencer)?

As for CSGO, its the opposite, the M4A1 is the better of the two.

The point was that no game is perfectly balanced and comparing WoW to CS is dumb.

e; Thats not even taking into account obvious map balance issues (even though its not as apparent in professional games). eg; Terrorists on cs_assault

Wrong. The AK is preferred over the M4, atleast when I played. The AK has pretty much flawless accuracy on the first shot (which also 1 shots 100 HP 100 armored targets if hitting the head) while the Colt is again more expensive, does less damage but has the option of a silencer.

/end off-topic.
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Posted 16 November 2013 - 04:32 PM

View PostUrbandurban, on 16 November 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

Wrong. The AK is preferred over the M4, atleast when I played. The AK has pretty much flawless accuracy on the first shot (which also 1 shots 100 HP 100 armored targets if hitting the head) while the Colt is again more expensive, does less damage but has the option of a silencer.

/end off-topic.

Err. The ak is preferred by CTs mainly because it suits stationary play a lot more then the M4.

The AK in GO is a lot better for the ADADAD spam that appears a lot in GO while strafing because of the first accurate shot as you said.

For Ts they usually prefer the M4A1 for the silencer and the very low recoil makes it easy to backstab people and it's good for rushing due to the recoil pattern being close to nothing.

Of course it varies depending on how good you're at aiming with the AK you might prefer it for T sides too but generally you'll see the average player using the M4 as T and the CT wanting the AK.

So no, there's not a gun that's OP in GO and the AK hasn't been changed nor the M4's buffed.

But maybe we shouldn't go offtopic with another game here, dno

Edited by Mirionx, 16 November 2013 - 04:44 PM.


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Posted 16 November 2013 - 05:37 PM

View PostMirionx, on 16 November 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

Err. The ak is preferred by CTs mainly because it suits stationary play a lot more then the M4.

The AK in GO is a lot better for the ADADAD spam that appears a lot in GO while strafing because of the first accurate shot as you said.

For Ts they usually prefer the M4A1 for the silencer and the very low recoil makes it easy to backstab people and it's good for rushing due to the recoil pattern being close to nothing.

Of course it varies depending on how good you're at aiming with the AK you might prefer it for T sides too but generally you'll see the average player using the M4 as T and the CT wanting the AK.

So no, there's not a gun that's OP in GO and the AK hasn't been changed nor the M4's buffed.

But maybe we shouldn't go offtopic with another game here, dno

You need to say M4A1S if you are talking about the silenced version.

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 07:30 PM

Funny how ppl compare 2 guns. Oh wait together with the AWP they are the best guns in game. What about the other guns? Yep they are less superior. Great balance....Having around 30-40 weapons yet only 3 are used.

Sounds a lot like class balance.

Edited by Pinka, 16 November 2013 - 07:36 PM.


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Posted 16 November 2013 - 07:46 PM

View PostPinka, on 16 November 2013 - 07:30 PM, said:

Funny how ppl compare 2 guns. Oh wait together with the AWP they are the best guns in game. What about the other guns? Yep they are less superior. Great balance....Having around 30-40 weapons yet only 3 are used.

Sounds a lot like class balance.

You can't be serious.

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 07:49 PM

View PostRegent, on 16 November 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

You need to say M4A1S if you are talking about the silenced version.

I said the M4A1 with a silencer, if you're going going to be picky it's called M4A1-S and not M4A1S

View PostPinka, on 16 November 2013 - 07:30 PM, said:

Funny how ppl compare 2 guns. Oh wait together with the AWP they are the best guns in game. What about the other guns? Yep they are less superior. Great balance....Having around 30-40 weapons yet only 3 are used.

Sounds a lot like class balance.

In CS they are supposed to be lesser guns because they're cheaper, that's how they balance them. SMG's and shotguns are very good for anti eco rounds and famas & galil and to some extent the scout are used when you're doing a forcebuy.

If you want to look at it in another way getting the stronger guns is like a ladder you step everytime you win a round(or save on a eco round) you can take another step on the ladder and get a stronger gun.

The only guns I would call unbalanced in CS is the heavy machineguns because they all suck compared to their cost.

Edited by Mirionx, 16 November 2013 - 07:50 PM.


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Posted 16 November 2013 - 07:59 PM

Then theres the Aug and Sig. The M4 and AK are prefered over both. Even when cost is unimportant. Both automatic snipers. Everyone favours the AWP over both aswell.
Then in the SMG class. People skip the mac10, tmp and ump in favour of the mp5.
On tourney lvl people do not even know what shotguns are.
Not even talk about the pistols apart from the Deagle.

And i was serious.
If you look at melee for instance. Warrior is clearly the Ak of the melee. Followed up by the M4 which are DKs. The rest are almost non existant.
It sounds wierd. But to me it is comparable.

Edited by Pinka, 16 November 2013 - 08:03 PM.


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Posted 16 November 2013 - 08:14 PM

View PostPinka, on 16 November 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

Then theres the Aug and Sig. The M4 and AK are prefered over both. Even when cost is unimportant. Both automatic snipers. Everyone favours the AWP over both aswell.
Then in the SMG class. People skip the mac10, tmp and ump in favour of the mp5.
On tourney lvl people do not even know what shotguns are.
Not even talk about the pistols apart from the Deagle.

And i was serious.
If you look at melee for instance. Warrior is clearly the Ak of the melee. Followed up by the M4 which are DKs. The rest are almost non existant.
It sounds wierd. But to me it is comparable.

You're referring to different types of balance. There's meta balance, and there's micro balance. CS's meta is perfectly symmetrical and as such the game as a whole is also 100% balanced. The guns you're referring to are part of the micro, and whether or not some guns offer a better performance/cost ratio, it doesn't affect the meta since even if some gun on T is OP, theoretically nothing stops you from using it when you switch sides from CT.

Edited by Z4muZ, 16 November 2013 - 08:15 PM.

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Posted 16 November 2013 - 08:18 PM

View PostPinka, on 16 November 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

If you look at melee for instance. Warrior is clearly the Ak of the melee. Followed up by the M4 which are DKs. The rest are almost non existant.
It sounds wierd. But to me it is comparable.
It's not really comparable. You're just pointing out an obvious fact: There's always tier lists in competitive games.
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