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#1 Jeexlol

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:17 PM

I made a thread in 5.3 complaining that Warriors DOTS were going to be better than Unholy DK DOTS while warriors having more single target pressure and got shit on/laughed at by all the heroes on this forum and that the damage increases give to the melee class with the most utility and defensive cooldowns was going to wreck the DK class. People laughed at me.


View PostMarshmellow, on 16 August 2013 - 08:38 PM, said:

whens the last time you saw a warrior running around spamming thunder clap to dot an entire team

View PostPeacesells, on 16 August 2013 - 08:52 PM, said:

Are you fucking serious? Like, fucking serious? Even on PTR, warriors are 1.5 times shitter than DK's.
Deep wounds ticks for 12K NONCRITS, 35K crits with CD's up. Diseases do 11k / 15k non crits, so thats more than double the damage of DW.

If anything, DK's need survivability buffed and damage toned down, warriors need damage buffed.

View PostForumz, on 16 August 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

I'm not talking about the numbers. I'm talking about you being a dumbass for complaining about it.

View PostPeacesells, on 16 August 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

Yes, 2300 rating in 2v2, barely tried and 3v3. Warrior damage outside cooldowns is still shit. 25% slam buff is almost unnoticable, especially when fighting anything with shields (priests). We still don't get any rage remember

View PostSilhin, on 17 August 2013 - 06:21 AM, said:

this has to be a troll thread or the OP is mentally disabled and we should start a fund for him to cover his medical expensive's

View PostEnyalius, on 17 August 2013 - 01:38 PM, said:

Youre complaining about warriors and you play a dk?

Ladies and gentlemen, we have one the biggest idiots on AJ! Have a good day!

.. I hate you all.

ANYWAYS,

Here's what the ladder shows today, with most users hovering around ilvl520-522:
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Looks like Warriors and Shaman are the best classes in 5.4 WOW PVP and DKs and Monks are the worst, literally 8 times more warriors and shamans than there are monks or dks.

I posted this because I really enjoy the DK class but am finding it hard to be competitive. The amount of skill I have on my mage and warrior is far less than my 3x Gladiator DK and yet <irony>somehow</irony> I am doing way better on those two classes.

I wanted to solicit feedback for three changes I think will balance the DK class which will promote more viability without breaking the game. I believe if we had these changes DK would be in an AVERAGE spot - and that's all I'm really asking.

I would also like to know what others think.


Here are the changes:

1. Chillblains made passive. Replaced with another useful talent that gives meaningful thought to pick up instead of Asphyxiate.
2. AMS absorb returned to previous state - 100% for the duration (no "up to a percent" of the DKs HP - similar to cloak of shadows)
3. IBF Cooldown lowered to 1 minute

I think these changes would make DKs average again, instead of a broken, unplayable class. At least monks have the option to heal warrior+mage.

What are your thoughts?

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:19 PM

Bring back junkies requirement please.....

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:23 PM

Are you fucking serious? Like, fucking serious? Even on PTR, warriors are 1.5 times shitter than DK's.
Deep wounds ticks for 12K NONCRITS, 35K crits with CD's up. Diseases do 11k / 15k non crits, so thats more than double the damage of DW.

If anything, DK's need survivability buffed and damage toned down, warriors need damage buffed. this has to be a troll thread or the OP is mentally disabled and we should start a fund for him to cover his medical expensive's

Ladies and gentlemen, we have one the biggest idiots on AJ! Have a good day!
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:28 PM

View PostZ4muZ, on 14 November 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

Are you fucking serious? Like, fucking serious? Even on PTR, warriors are 1.5 times shitter than DK's.
Deep wounds ticks for 12K NONCRITS, 35K crits with CD's up. Diseases do 11k / 15k non crits, so thats more than double the damage of DW.

If anything, DK's need survivability buffed and damage toned down, warriors need damage buffed. this has to be a troll thread or the OP is mentally disabled and we should start a fund for him to cover his medical expensive's

Ladies and gentlemen, we have one the biggest idiots on AJ! Have a good day!


You're beyond retarded.

I hope you're trolling.

Warrior outshines DK in literally every aspect almost. Just saying

Edited by Nixonxx, 14 November 2013 - 06:28 PM.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:28 PM

Monks are only low rep because no one plays them (it's the new class).  MW is quite good, and WW has a very high skill cap.  I'll agree warriors and mages are out of hand.  Honestly the only changes DKs need though is to remove BF from affecting AMS, and maybe conversion.  (I'd be in favor of making all DPS-spec heals not affected by BF unless it's a hybrid DPS spec.  Also, I'd prefer to bring back old 50% MS and just remove battle fatigue outright and see what that does).

Finally, shaman are high rep because they have 3 viable specs.  Same with hunters to an extent.  Warlocks and rogues are lower rep, but they are both in very good spots right now (I'd say OP actually).  All this to say that using rep above any rating as an indicator of class balance is a bad idea as they are other confounding variables most of the time.

#6 Jeexlol

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:29 PM

View PostNixonxx, on 14 November 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

You're beyond retarded.

I hope you're trolling.

Warrior outshines DK in literally every aspect almost.

If you read my post quotes you would see that he is...

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:29 PM

dk gameplay is super hard right now because rune management is harder when u are dead in 2 seconds against a warrior team.

BTW ALL FACTARDS WHO CALLS FOR A DK DMG NERF SHOULD LEARN HOW TO KILL DKS FASTER A FACKING WARRIOR IS DOING MORE DMG THAN A DK HOW STUPID IS THAT?!

*popcorn*

#8 Z4muZ

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:34 PM

View PostNixonxx, on 14 November 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

You're beyond retarded.

I hope you're trolling.

Warrior outshines DK in literally every aspect almost. Just saying

I assure you, I literally almost never troll.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:34 PM

View PostZ4muZ, on 14 November 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

warriors need damage buffed. this has to be a troll thread or the OP is mentally disabled and we should start a fund for him to cover his medical expensive's



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Just stop posting, DK is in a horrible state there is 0 reason to play it right now.

Not because DK is weak but because warriors/rogues/enhancements fit better in like every comp and we have no real defensives alongside our 0 mobility just make it pointless to play.

Edited by Mvpstar, 14 November 2013 - 06:36 PM.

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#10 Jeexlol

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:36 PM

View PostMvpstar, on 14 November 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

Just stop posting, DK is in a horrible state there is 0 reason to play it right now.

I want to play dk :( it's my favorite class :(
















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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:36 PM

ok if warriors takes bladestorm/blood then he matches dks most of the time in damage, if war takes stuns he close to damage to dk but war bring better mobility, survival and offensive utilities than dk.

From playing both war and dk i can clearly see why war are better right now.
But in twos when i meet dk on war dk almost never out-damage me, and i win most of the fights vs dk, unless DK plays with MW

Dks still good and fine in 2s and 5s. I still like my dk and love playing him.

Edited by a1entity, 14 November 2013 - 06:39 PM.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:39 PM

DK doesn't need any kind of buffs :(
other classes may require some nerfs ..
but you need to train your skill fo' suuuuuuuuure because my DK dots do crazy damage :)
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:40 PM

View PostRavin, on 14 November 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

Monks are only low rep because no one plays them (it's the new class).  MW is quite good, and WW has a very high skill cap.  I'll agree warriors and mages are out of hand.  Honestly the only changes DKs need though is to remove BF from affecting AMS, and maybe conversion.  (I'd be in favor of making all DPS-spec heals not affected by BF unless it's a hybrid DPS spec.  Also, I'd prefer to bring back old 50% MS and just remove battle fatigue outright and see what that does).

Finally, shaman are high rep because they have 3 viable specs.  Same with hunters to an extent.  Warlocks and rogues are lower rep, but they are both in very good spots right now (I'd say OP actually).  All this to say that using rep above any rating as an indicator of class balance is a bad idea as they are other confounding variables most of the time.


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Shaman are high rep because resto shaman are the best healer at the moment...

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:43 PM

View PostMvpstar, on 14 November 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

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Just stop posting, DK is in a horrible state there is 0 reason to play it right now.

Not because DK is weak but because warriors/rogues/enhancements fit better in like every comp and we have no real defensives alongside our 0 mobility just make it pointless to play.

whens the last time you saw a warrior running around spamming thunder clap to dot an entire team? I'm not talking about the numbers. I'm talking about you being a dumbass for complaining about it.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:44 PM

View PostMiette, on 14 November 2013 - 06:39 PM, said:

DK doesn't need any kind of buffs :(
other classes may require some nerfs ..
but you need to train your skill fo' suuuuuuuuure because my DK dots do crazy damage :)

Dk's need 3 things freedom at least once a minute, like glyphed ibf for extra damage reduction and maybe desc, ground that removes CS.

The most frustrating part on my dk i find is my mobility, it just plain awful, if you against double rooting enemy your spent 50 % of time in roots.

Edited by a1entity, 14 November 2013 - 06:46 PM.


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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:46 PM

View Posta1entity, on 14 November 2013 - 06:36 PM, said:

Dks still good and fine in 2s


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Nice argument. WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT THAT UNREWARDING BRACKET

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:55 PM

^^ AJ failed baldy giving access to all, hence post above me.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:56 PM

View Posta1entity, on 14 November 2013 - 06:55 PM, said:

^^ AJ failed baldy giving access to all, hence post above me.

I could get aj to link my s6/7/8 glad or would you be mad at that too?

I thought it was funny - threads already trolled max

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:56 PM

View PostZ4muZ, on 14 November 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:

whens the last time you saw a warrior running around spamming thunder clap to dot an entire team? I'm not talking about the numbers. I'm talking about you being a dumbass for complaining about it.

Um like every game against warriors maybe?

And you know deep wounds on one target does nearly as much dk dots on three.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 07:02 PM

View PostMvpstar, on 14 November 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

Um like every game against warriors maybe?

And you know deep wounds on one target does nearly as much dk dots on three.

Yes, 2300 rating in 2v2, barely tried and 3v3. Warrior damage outside cooldowns is still shit. 25% slam buff is almost unnoticable, especially when fighting anything with shields (priests). We still don't get any rage remember
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