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#41 seizureman18

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 03:26 PM

View PostPriestRSC, on 29 December 2013 - 08:48 PM, said:

That opener changes depending on what I'm against, but a lot of the time I garrote->cheap shot mages, or I garrote->ambush->ambush->kidney etc. That opener is just one of the ones I use. Also as others have stated before, 60 energy is a lot, and I usually dance in our openers after subterfuge anyways. Sometimes it'll be more like:

premed->snd->sap->garrote so sap doesn't break->cheap shot->evic->MFD evic->dance ambush until kidney is back->damage.

Obviously this doesn't matter since every team under the moon will try to stop your opener, I usually get just the evic->MFD evic before I get scattered/feared/shockwaved etc.

You are using Garrote (45 Energy) just to put a bleed up? Cheap Shot after gives you 3 combo points and then you evisc? I dont understand.

#42 tincho87

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 03:17 PM

Just try this for duels-2s-and maybe a lowrated 3s. Premed>SnD>Shadowblades+Ambush>Rupture>Ambush(wait till 5cp from crits, i usually get 5cps when subterfuge fades)>Kidney Shot>Shadowdance>Ambush till 5 cps Evis MfD Evis>Garrote to improve the CC chain... Im usually oneshoting ppl with this, i mean Priest's - Shammys- Locks - maybe holy pallys too or easily get their bubbles with this opener. Try it and you'll see.People nowadays thinks he can handle that burst, so that's why u wait till last moment to use KS and then Garrote when your blades are still up, and your shadowdance is up too. Bad thing about this opener in arenas is, if you couldnt kill some1, you'll have to wait till SD refresh to have some dmg boost.

Edited by tincho87, 28 January 2014 - 03:24 PM.


#43 PriestRSC

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 09:51 PM

View Posttincho87, on 28 January 2014 - 03:17 PM, said:

Bad thing about this opener in arenas is, if you couldnt kill some1, you'll have to wait till SD refresh to have some dmg boost.

That's a major problem in itself. Also this forum died a month ago.

#44 Weeknd

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 10:00 PM

Just press buttons and damage happens. There is more than one good way to open.

#45 seizureman18

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 11:25 PM

View Posttincho87, on 28 January 2014 - 03:17 PM, said:

Bad thing about this opener in arenas is, if you couldnt kill some1, you'll have to wait till SD refresh to have some dmg boost.

The bad this about that opener is the first ability. Your Ambush is going to do 35% less damage because there is no bleed on the target resulting in quite a large waste of energy.

Its also so easy to get away from that opener because the first 3 globals give the target a chance to get away.

#46 tincho87

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 03:03 AM

View Postseizureman18, on 28 January 2014 - 11:25 PM, said:

The bad this about that opener is the first ability. Your Ambush is going to do 35% less damage because there is no bleed on the target resulting in quite a large waste of energy.
In fact opening with ambush without sanguinary veins is for CPs, And you wont put KS in dr so u can burst with shadowdance srsly... just try it.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 04:57 AM

View Postseizureman18, on 16 November 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

Just tested some openers and their damage. I only included damage to the target for the duration of Cheapshot / Kidney Shot. I also used the tooltips and 522 daggers for the numbers. (Please feel free to correct me if I haven't used proper Math anywhere)

Your opener:

Cheapshot -> Hemo* (11755) -> Ambush (43660) -> Evisc (77091) -> MFD -> Kidney -> Backstab (30624) -> Backstab (30624) = 193754
*At this point there isnt any bleed on the target so I reduced Hemos damage by 1/3.

My opener with Relentless Strikes proc:

Cheapshot -> Rupture (11180) -> Ambush (43660) -> Ambush (43660) -> Kidney -> MFD -> Evisc (77091) -> Backstab (30624) = 206215

My opener without Relentless Strikes proc:

Cheapshot -> Rupture (11180) -> Ambush (43660) -> Backstab (30624) -> Kidney -> MFD -> Evisc (77091) -> Backstab (30624) =  193179

So 40% of the time you are doing 206215, 60% of the time 193179. With Hemo opener you are doing 193754 100% of the time.

Thank you for the detailed openers.  I've been experimenting with these the past few days with quite a bit of success.  Now I've only been playing rogue for a week but I'm curious about opening without cheap shot, say on slowed casters.  Mainly in a 1vs1 situation but something like.

Garrote -> Ambush -> Backstab -> Evis -> MFD -> Kidney (full) -> Dance -> Ambush -> Ambush -> Evis

I guess my question is does anyone open and dance without cheap shot?


Edit:  It's not optimal damage but I feel it leaves you open for a vanish -> cheap if you are certain it will get you a kill.  I also feel less vulnerable to an early trinket.

Edited by Hackattack3, 29 January 2014 - 05:00 AM.


#48 seizureman18

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 06:28 AM

View Posttincho87, on 29 January 2014 - 03:03 AM, said:

srsly... just try it.

No thanks, I'm sure its working out great for you though.

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 10:33 PM

View Postseizureman18, on 29 January 2014 - 06:28 AM, said:

No thanks, I'm sure its working out great for you though.

My opener above was retarded.  I'm not stacking the 10% damage debuffs.  Your hard work did not go unnoticed, you made a believe out of me and I'm dropping hemo glyph.

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 04:29 PM

View Postmimmick, on 14 November 2013 - 12:38 AM, said:

All depends on what bracket/comp/1v1 but premed snd in stealth cheapshot hemo ambush evis mfd evis.

I prefer 8 ambushes into an ambush for the kill

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 04:48 PM

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