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#1 Dankrupt

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 10:31 AM

I just recently started getting back into WoW since mid cata, so I'm relearning everything and sometimes I'm in an rbg, and a rogue might get an opener on me and can drop me down anywhere from (roughly) 50% to 25% hp and I'm just curious what the opener is for this.

Mine is usually something like premed SnD > CS > Garrote > Ambush > Rupture

I can't ever achieve this, I feel like I'm swinging a soggy potato wedge when I try it.
So I'm assuming I'm doing something very wrong, (besides being a button mashing spaz
and not pooling my energy correctly) any pointers?

#2 watchmepwn

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 10:35 AM

Why garrote and rupture your opener? If you want a hard opener you garrote -> cheapshot -> ambush 2/3x -> eviscrate or kidney for another smallburst.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 10:40 AM

View Postwatchmepwn, on 13 November 2013 - 10:35 AM, said:

Why garrote and rupture your opener? If you want a hard opener you garrote -> cheapshot -> ambush 2/3x -> eviscrate or kidney for another smallburst.
why even garrote?lol

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 10:43 AM

View PostYarmyxx, on 13 November 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:

why even garrote?lol
for the bleed so they can't restealth, I guess

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:14 AM

Garrote for Sanguinary Veins lol

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:16 AM

View Postapoxy, on 13 November 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

Garrote for Sanguinary Veins lol
Oh yeah, I totally knew that.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:25 PM

View Postwatchmepwn, on 13 November 2013 - 10:35 AM, said:

Why garrote and rupture your opener? If you want a hard opener you garrote -> cheapshot -> ambush 2/3x -> eviscrate or kidney for another smallburst.

Ambush costs 60 Energy outside of dance.
I recommend you to never use Ambush outside of dance, as you will just get energy starved very easily.


Here's the secret mega opener, kinda only works against casters and healers.
Premed>SnD
Open with Garrote, when your subterfuge is about to fade you Cheap shot. At this moment you have Prey the weak and Sang vein up, + 5 combo points. And your pvp trinket probably has procced. So just follow that up with an Eviscerate>Marked for death Eviscerate once more.

Sometimes when you're 100% alone on the target, you might get stuck on 4 combo points. Just use backstab once, and proceed with eviscerates.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:46 PM

The only time you want to overlap cs and garrotte is when opening on a Mage in which case you always garrotte 1st and then cheapshot so he doesn't just blink your cs. You should always open w/ premed snd cs into garrotte or premed snd garrotte into cs but try not to overlap them just for sang vein. A 2 or 3 pt rupture will give you the same damage increase without sacrificing crucial cc on your opposition. Any gap in your cc is an opportunity for that player to use a major cd and get away, cc you etc..

There is honestly no one set opener for a good rogue, your openers should change given the circumstances quite a bit.

However a fairly standard subterfuge opener is this: Premed 2pt SND, CS, 2-3pt rupture depending on hat procs,ambushx1, garrotte right as subterfuge and cheapshot are fading. At this point you should have 4-5 combo pts, hemo once for full bleeds on your target and backstab your way up to 5 if you are a pt short of 5 and you can follow up your garrotte w/ a dr'd 3 sec kidney giving you a total of 11.5 seconds of continuous lockdown on every opener assuming you are running the cheapshot and garrotte glyphs.

If it is a caster I will usually shiv at the end of this cc chain in anticipation of making his 1st cast nice and long. Don't kick until the end of the cast if someone does actually try to cast after you shiv'd them w/ mindnumbing. If you are in a 1v1 situation this is typically a very good spot to use your marked for death cd as you should have full dmg bonus going w/ bleeds up, prey on the weak in the kidney and likely procs/engi gloves going.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 12:59 PM

garrote for sanguary veins?why not hemo for sanguary veins?it costs less energy.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 01:07 PM

Premed>SnD>Cheap Shot>2 CP Rupture>Ambush>Ambush>Evis>MoD>Evis

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 01:28 PM

PREMED SLICE then the following ->

Opener for Rogues 5,4 against melees - cheap shot -> hemorrhage -> Ambush (this is of course with Glyph of Hemmorhaging veins)

Opener for Rogues 5,4 against spell casters - Garrote -> ambush -> Cheap shot. (can also use cheap at start to make the target stand still. useful in arenas)

Opener for Rogues 5,4 against Mages - Garrote -> Cheap shot -> ambush.

You also need to think about your opponents movements, ms, etc with this if you're going to garrote at start and if you're not using paralyctic poison.

You should be using the Glyph of Hemmorhaging veins which came out in 5.4. This glyph will save you energy for damage, peels etc. Rest should be up to you.
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 02:06 PM

this is what you wanna do to stay ontop of your energy and to put out alot of pressure: premed, snd, cheap shot, put the two points you get from cheap into rupture, to apply sang vein, ambush 1-2 times, into half kidney, (best to pop blades aswell) and then pop evasion so you're unpeelable to all scatter traps etc, OH and dont forget to mfd in your second kidney, and you'll have put out alot of damage by then, without even using your dance.
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 06:33 PM

best opener is vs casters would be premed SnD -> garrote into 5 pt kidney. if they don't trinket or use something that's 10 seconds of being completely locked down and you have all your important buffs up (snd for energy, garrote for bleed, kidney for prey on the weak).

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 12:38 AM

All depends on what bracket/comp/1v1 but premed snd in stealth cheapshot hemo ambush evis mfd evis.

#15 Dankrupt

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 05:26 AM

thanks for all the replies, I appreciate it. I'll be playing later tonight and trying these out

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:50 PM

My Go-To opener I learned from Sensus.

Premed > SnD > Garrote > CS > Shadow Dance > Ambush > Evis > Mark For Death > Kidney Shot when CS expires > Ambush spam and Evis at 5 combo points.

Shit is pretty devastating.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 07:13 PM

Wait a second, are there still rogues playing this game who use garrote to apply Sanguinary Veins? Hahaha

EDIT: Forgot to mention that you also DR both your silence and stun using the garrote opener. Nice one

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 07:51 PM

View Postseizureman18, on 14 November 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

Wait a second, are there still rogues playing this game who use garrote to apply Sanguinary Veins? Hahaha

EDIT: Forgot to mention that you also DR both your silence and stun using the garrote opener. Nice one


with sang glyph you save 15 energy if you're going to use garrote for sang debuff.
with sang glyph you save 2 combo points - 5 energy on using rupture with a 40% RNG to lose another 25 energy on Relentless Strikes

Without Sanguinary Veins you rely on RNG for opener pressure, with it you still get 2 combo points to spend.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 08:38 PM

View PostVengeful95, on 14 November 2013 - 07:51 PM, said:

with sang glyph you save 15 energy if you're going to use garrote for sang debuff.
with sang glyph you save 2 combo points - 5 energy on using rupture with a 40% RNG to lose another 25 energy on Relentless Strikes

Without Sanguinary Veins you rely on RNG for opener pressure, with it you still get 2 combo points to spend.

Are we talking about using dance in the opener here?

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Posted 15 November 2013 - 02:12 PM

View Postseizureman18, on 14 November 2013 - 08:38 PM, said:

Are we talking about using dance in the opener here?
No
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