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#21 Raak

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 12:35 PM

Triumvir will still get r1 tho.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 01:01 PM

lol ret free win. Well what i think about rets atm they are fine but when u meet warriors feels like my hp never goes up. Rsham maybe works okay(don't like to play with shamans tho). Just waiting till next patch when warriors get  fixed?

Edited by Cptparasret, 04 November 2013 - 01:04 PM.


#23 Voidbringer

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 01:04 PM

View PostRawrbertlol, on 04 November 2013 - 10:35 AM, said:

Time for you to reroll enhancement my friend. :)

That's just the thing! I played a mage and lock for a long time and wanted to try a Retri for a change.
I don't expect to be OP, but it's getting really boring leveling and gearing a character only to find out it's close to useless (that's how people view it - not OP/Tier1 - not playing with U). I am usually the last person to overuse such phrases but it's getting beyond stupid! This whack-a-mole game of which class will be FOTM, because if you chose to stick to one class or wanted to multi-class on a non-FOTM you're screwed.

I know why blizzard is doing this, but they should really focus on making the game interesting for everyone, regardless of the class you choose, rather then forcing people to reroll for OP class x (hint for the "blues": people would still pay&play longer either on their mains or would reroll for fun rather than out of frustration)

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 01:09 PM

View PostRaak, on 04 November 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

Triumvir will still get r1 tho.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 01:20 PM

I really think its you who suck. No joke..

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 01:23 PM

View PostHankx, on 04 November 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:

Then what's the problem here?!



2- The off heals as ret in arena with 3 Holy Powers it will heal you for 25k to 30k and with that's like less than Feral's / Enh's / Ele's Self Heals! .. On my team mates yeah i do more heals than others but "What About Meh!?" so i can't stand long there...







But i have seen rets heal their teammates 50% of their hp at times.. espesially with selfless healer

Edited by thumpiex, 04 November 2013 - 01:24 PM.


#27 Voidbringer

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 01:38 PM

View Postthumpiex, on 04 November 2013 - 01:23 PM, said:

But i have seen rets heal their teammates 50% of their hp at times.. espesially with selfless healer

Maybe 50% is an exagerration, but I agree that our heals are strong on our team mates. However, they are really weak when you try to heal yourself (you could say it's good design and you have healers for that etc, but then again it could be removed alltogether so we can have some passive defensives which actually work). You also don't have to be a genius to figure out how to counter selfless healer...

To people with this fabulous, constructive approach of: "you suck, l2p etc". I don't feel that Retri needs huge buffs or anything. The problem is you only have two feasible scenarios: Either buff all/most classes, including Retri, so they are on par with the current overlords or nerf those warrior/mage gods, then I'll be a happy camper and will gladly play my retri in its current state (jk then enhancement will be OP;)).
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Posted 04 November 2013 - 02:49 PM

Well i find rets still good. I like them a lot before people got weapons like 2 first weeks of the seasons i could feel like rets are even better than last season, but i didin't expect the weapons to affect that much. Ofc pom got nerfed too so that hurt for ret,hunt,priest for example. Ret is still viable but not fun to play with all the warriors out there. So like i said wish warriors get some type of nerf so arena is atleast a bit more fun.Rets do have "good" selfheals and bubble / wall and 10% less dmg reduction imo it's enough, but like i said its the warriors which are making the ret so useless atm. Im just wondering when is warriors going to get nerfed ? in 2 months?

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 02:59 PM

Warriors make every melee class/spec feel useless right now, not just rets.

Edited by Raak, 04 November 2013 - 03:04 PM.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 03:38 PM

View PostReedztv, on 04 November 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

i agree nerf ferals

FERAL OP

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 03:50 PM

are you guys for real? ret burst not good?

fuck it, a ret can burst nearly as much as an enhancer, it is insta death without iceblock for a mage, insta death for a hunter without deterr...dont know wich game you play, but its not wow

MAYBE in 3v3 they arnt top, but this game has more pvp than 3v3, and rets shine everywhere. even in 3v3 its fucking scary if a ret pops cds.

and you know, the best thing is that fucking range dmg. you can kite full cds of the ret, yet your dead after 5 seconds


edit: or maybe i only meet russians...got hit for 150k execute and 120k crusader without wings on the ret lolz

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 04:18 PM

View PostSharkuuu, on 04 November 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

are you guys for real? ret burst not good?

fuck it, a ret can burst nearly as much as an enhancer, it is insta death without iceblock for a mage, insta death for a hunter without deterr...dont know wich game you play, but its not wow

MAYBE in 3v3 they arnt top, but this game has more pvp than 3v3, and rets shine everywhere. even in 3v3 its fucking scary if a ret pops cds.

and you know, the best thing is that fucking range dmg. you can kite full cds of the ret, yet your dead after 5 seconds


edit: or maybe i only meet russians...got hit for 150k execute and 120k crusader without wings on the ret lolz
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Posted 04 November 2013 - 04:25 PM

how should i survive 90-150k crits every one second WITHOUT hard cc them. teach me

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 04:30 PM

You are one season too late bro, sea of feels.....

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 04:37 PM

Vanguards can do it. Why can't you be more like him?
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Posted 04 November 2013 - 04:46 PM

Ah member threads never fail to disappoint.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 05:13 PM

View PostVoidbringer, on 04 November 2013 - 09:12 AM, said:

Regardless of style of the OP, he does have a point and it baffles me that all responses are troll-like (I can understand one or two but can anyone write something coherent and logical these days?). We can't have a discussion unless it's about warriors and mages being OP right?

To all TL;DR fans:
- Ret has no pressure whatsoever without CDs
- Ret's CDs don't impress anyone (when there was a poll about "bursty" class/spec it wasn't even mentioned once...)
- Ret's utility, while good on paper, is negligible (also easily countered) without the above, as there are specs that bring better damage AND utility

Nobody is looking for Rets for RBGs (yesterday I had a guy join our RBG and ask if we're planning to win since we have a Retri on the team...). Nobody is looking for Rets for Arenas. LFM Spriest and MW Monk for my new setup: "ForeverAlone Cleave"

P.S. Loving Blizzard's policy. Instead of "bring the player not the class" it's "bring the player with the FOTM class"

That moment the tl; dr is longer and completely different from the actual text.
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#38 Voidbringer

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 05:22 PM

View PostGlink, on 04 November 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

Vanguards can do it. Why can't you be more like him?

Ok, I'll bite;). You mean being the best Ret worldwide, while playing with one of the best if not the best arena partners? Yeah...why don't I do that?

Unless you meant rerolling enhance, as he did, in which case that's a viable, but frustrating scenario;].

For those who come here with this: "Retri is amazing, you just don't know how to play" attitude, let me clarify again: If a couple of classes received certain changes/nerfs which have been mentioned in 123241 threads, I would probably enjoy my Retri a lot more. While I still do to an extent, I'm not playing in a vacuum, but with and against other classes. So in comparison I feel mediocre at best.

The ladder representation, while not perfect, shows a clear picture. It's also quite obvious which classes are desirable for RBG and arena. Retri is not very strong for 2v2, 3v3 or RBG ("semi-viable" maybe, but not very strong), so whoever is so afraid of Retri Paladins....you mean like world pvp when you're being ganked without CDs while fishing??

View PostProlifics, on 04 November 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

Ah member threads never fail to disappoint.

Really? you mean that all the wisdom in the world comes from 2500+ players and they're the only ones entitled to opinions?
Could you maybe then enlighten us simple members and tell us how you think Ret is the best thing since sliced bread (as proven by all top ladder spots filled by them...lol)? Or maybe explain how Retri is Tier1 and dominating every other DPS...except for maybe Warrior, Mage, Lock, Enhance, Hunter, Monk, DK etc.

Naaah you won't do that:). One line sentences which contribute nothing to the discussion are a trademark of real pro players. You'll just keep lurking and providing such constructive feedback from time to time, while waiting for an inspiration to show those dumb members how great threads and posts are made. The "I got a +rep from gladiator" ones.


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Posted 04 November 2013 - 05:28 PM

View PostNeosaurfang, on 04 November 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

That moment the tl; dr is longer and completely different from the actual text.

Touche, Sir. You got me!
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Touche;)
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#40 Hankx

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 08:58 PM

View PostVoidbringer, on 04 November 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

Ok, I'll bite;). You mean being the best Ret worldwide, while playing with one of the best if not the best arena partners? Yeah...why don't I do that?

Unless you meant rerolling enhance, as he did, in which case that's a viable, but frustrating scenario;].

For those who come here with this: "Retri is amazing, you just don't know how to play" attitude, let me clarify again: If a couple of classes received certain changes/nerfs which have been mentioned in 123241 threads, I would probably enjoy my Retri a lot more. While I still do to an extent, I'm not playing in a vacuum, but with and against other classes. So in comparison I feel mediocre at best.

The ladder representation, while not perfect, shows a clear picture. It's also quite obvious which classes are desirable for RBG and arena. Retri is not very strong for 2v2, 3v3 or RBG ("semi-viable" maybe, but not very strong), so whoever is so afraid of Retri Paladins....you mean like world pvp when you're being ganked without CDs while fishing??



Really? you mean that all the wisdom in the world comes from 2500+ players and they're the only ones entitled to opinions?
Could you maybe then enlighten us simple members and tell us how you think Ret is the best thing since sliced bread (as proven by all top ladder spots filled by them...lol)? Or maybe explain how Retri is Tier1 and dominating every other DPS...except for maybe Warrior, Mage, Lock, Enhance, Hunter, Monk, DK etc.

Naaah you won't do that:). One line sentences which contribute nothing to the discussion are a trademark of real pro players. You'll just keep lurking and providing such constructive feedback from time to time, while waiting for an inspiration to show those dumb members how great threads and posts are made. The "I got a +rep from gladiator" ones.




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