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#1 sephirroth

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 11:28 AM

Yes i am fully aware of the Haste vs Mastery discussion a few topics bellow, however I am also fully aware that mastery is the better stat for straight up damage. With this in mind I have just reforged to the 4717 haste breakpoint and then gone full out mastery

Just wondering if this is a good build and when grievous comes into play is it worth going for the 6631 break point when full mastery?

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#2 Fistao

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 01:10 PM

Thinking the same about the next haste cap in full grevious for a full mastery build.

If you're playing with +5% haste => Go for 6637 (you'll lose around 2% mastery versus 4717)

If you're not playing with +5% haste => Go for 7078 (you'll lose around 4% mastery versus 4717)
This cap is the most polyvalent if you don't want to farm too much gear.

Anyway you'll need to get at least two gears (full mastery and full haste) to play against/with any comps !

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 01:53 PM

Im playing WW/AFfi/RestoS or WLS atm, so no 5% haste buff. Does this mean 4717 is still the break point?

As WLS is mastery or haste preferred?

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 02:21 PM

Without 5% haste the break point corresponding at 4717 is actually 7078. But I wouldn't go for this cap right now (losing too much mastery without full grevious).

For WLS I would prefer stacking mastery (for now).

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 02:27 PM

Thanks for the response, I thought as much. Is there a cap to certainly go for without this 5% buff? somewhere between 4717 and 7078 that is achievable without sacrificing too much mastery?

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 02:36 PM

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 02:43 PM

As I said before, when you'll be full grevious :

If you're not playing with +5% haste => Go for 7078 (you'll lose around 4% mastery versus 4717)
This cap is the most polyvalent if you don't want to farm too much gear.


4% is not that much.

Being between two haste break points as warlock affliction is the worst thing you can do. Because you're losing a lot of secondary stats (mastery here) for 0 gain from haste.

At full 522, if you want to be optimal you'll need at least 3 gears :
- 6637 for full mastery with a +5% haste buff
- 7078 for full mastery without a +5% haste buff (you'll lose 4% mastery in comparison of 4717, but you'll get faster casts and the same shard regeneration)
- 9778 for a full haste build with a +5% haste buff (using it, most likely, versus comps which can slow your cast time : rogues, dks, hunters and their stupid pet, locks,.. OR if you prefer a gameplay with a lot of haste)

Edit : dude above me just linked you all the haste break point for afflock. Don't forget to uncheck the +5% spell haste on the left side if you want to see results without the buff.

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 02:54 PM

nice one both of you for the fast responses. Going to stay with my current build and when full grievous push for 7078 and rest mastery. Never tried full haste but tempted to give it a go one time see if I enjoy the play style.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 09:36 PM

Link to my armory. Using mixed gems right now and sitting at 7479 haste with 64% mastery. Feels real good. I'll be going for more haste as I upgrade the rest of my gear.
http://us.battle.net...ardotnet/simple

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 08:48 AM

i got 5/5 grevious and weps, + neck so as soon as i grab a few more off pieces going to go for the 7078 breakpoint and see how it feels

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 05:13 AM

View Postsephirroth, on 08 November 2013 - 08:48 AM, said:

i got 5/5 grevious and weps, + neck so as soon as i grab a few more off pieces going to go for the 7078 breakpoint and see how it feels

you can easily hit 7078 with weapons and 5 piece grieve.  if you reforge a few pieces into haste and replace 2 mastery gems with 320 haste gems that's already enough.  the statements about "losing dps" giving up a few percent mastery need to be interpreted properly too.  By "losing damage" if you mean each tic of a dot will be a tiny bit less with 4-5% less mastery then yes that is true, but if you are anywhere close to a haste break point, the extra tic of that dot, every MG tic going off slightly faster, lower GCD, etc almost always offsets the "damage per tic" loss (which is probably how we should be describing the loss, not saying dps loss).  some of the highest damage raiders in the world stack quite a bit of haste - that's proof enough that you lose "damage per tic", not necessarily dps.  and if you avoid even 1 shadow lockout during the whole match because that spell went off 0.1 sec faster, that is a bigger dps gain than any amount of reforging can change.

http://us.battle.net...yronic/advanced

this is one of the top 10 in world dps'ers, he gemmed and reforged a good bit to haste and even took herbalism for Lifeblood.  His haste is ***50%*** with Lifeblood up  and a crazy 96% with Lifeblood and Darksoul up to snapshot stacks of dots for crazy damage opener.


One "trick" to get 7078 haste early before you have enough grieve pieces is to use the crafted Night Sky belt.  It is scaled down to like ilvl 503 due to being a PVE piece, but *sockets do not scale down*, and it has 3 sockets.  It is a net DPS gain compared to Tyr belt, since the ilvl difference more than offsets the tiny bit of PvP power you lose.  It has a ton of haste, and 3 sockets which again do not scale down.  Most of the high ranked locks already have Grieve belt which is obviously better since its 522, but if you want to save the belt as your last Grieve piece and try out 7078 haste early to see how you like it, try this out.  The socket bonus is +120 INT, which also does not scale down (vs 60 INT for Tyr).

If you are willing to use 2 PVE pieces you even get to the 9094 haste break point in just partial Grieve.  A lot of the high ranked players seem happy with either 7078 or 9094 so I would stick with one of those for now.

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 05:35 AM

View Postsubstance, on 07 November 2013 - 09:36 PM, said:

Link to my armory. Using mixed gems right now and sitting at 7479 haste with 64% mastery. Feels real good. I'll be going for more haste as I upgrade the rest of my gear.
http://us.battle.net...ardotnet/simple

you're between break points.  it would be better to just gem down to 7078, wait until you get 3-4 more upgrades and then go straight to 9094.  the way you are gemmed/reforged, each upgrade you get will put you further between the break points so there's no reason for that.  soon you'll be around 8k haste with 0 extra tics of any dot and losing 1k mastery unnecessarily.

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 11:35 AM

Nice one greynight.  I dont really want to use pve pieces or gem for haste atm, i just want to try and get 7078 through reforge, i dont think I will atm

Heres a link to my armoury: I still need to pick up grievous gloves

http://eu.battle.net.../Liral/advanced

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 01:49 PM

I went with 7078 haste too.  I don't think the extra corruption tick is game breaking, but getting off fears faster than rdruids can clone is.  It also puts glyphed UA a tad below the global CD at a .96 sec cast, which I also like.

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 01:50 PM

Here's the haste chart for all casters:

http://www.totemspot.../entry.php?b=44

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 03:36 PM

Strictly PvP speaking, both stats increase your damage. Raw damage from mastery is most likely slightly higher, however, reaching haste break points makes the gap significantly smaller. Haste also makes your gameplay much more fluid allowing you to do more stuff and react faster which, in my opinion, is much more important in PvP than a slight damage advantage.




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