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#1 Gsgsgsgsgs

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 02:19 AM

Anyone notice Hpally's heals are really dog right now?

#2 Zaephyr

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 02:20 AM

Nope what r u on about m8


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Posted 13 September 2013 - 02:33 AM

They are by no means weak (from playing PTR since day 1) - stop drawing conclusions without having gear, because it has a tremendous effect on both damage and healing esp this season where you gain almost 30 ilvls.

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#4 Gsgsgsgsgs

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 02:56 AM

View PostBraindance, on 13 September 2013 - 02:33 AM, said:

They are by no means weak (from playing PTR since day 1) - stop drawing conclusions without having gear, because it has a tremendous effect on both damage and healing esp this season where you gain almost 30 ilvls.

oh, ok! thanks!

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 11:56 AM

I personally find the heals to be really strong. On ptr I found my self out healing pretty much every enemy healer I went up against. Also didn't feel like I had to worry about mana to much either!


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Posted 13 September 2013 - 12:01 PM

heals feels alot stronger this patch. mana is just retarded, its actually impossible to go oom
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Posted 27 September 2013 - 04:20 AM

Heals are stronger but heals were not as much a problem as being susceptible to cc. Holy Priest can take you out for a good 20 seconds by himself so might as well as play priest

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 04:26 AM

If u think your heals are dog right now, try being a druid. Full hots ironbark rolling on someone and their hp still dissolving when the other team hasnt even popped cds.

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 06:29 AM

^  Playing my druid makes me so sad.
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Posted 30 September 2013 - 04:42 PM

View PostProlifics, on 27 September 2013 - 04:26 AM, said:

If u think your heals are dog right now, try being a druid. Full hots ironbark rolling on someone and their hp still dissolving when the other team hasnt even popped cds.

is this a joke?

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 04:54 PM

View PostGsgsgsgsgs, on 13 September 2013 - 02:19 AM, said:

Anyone notice Hpally's heals are really dog right now?

yeah, played phd with a friend's paladin and he literally couldn't keep me up with every cd in the game. He went priest and we didn't lose once after that
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Posted 30 September 2013 - 05:32 PM

yes, buff flash of light thanks

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 05:38 PM

Paladins have always had arguably the strongest heals in the game if they could sit there and free cast, but had zero or close to zero reactive healing/hots/ healing while they're cc'd. Now it seems like everyone else has just as strong output as us from flash heals, but everyone else has 3-4 hots ticking at the same time.

If a paladin is spamming FoL, those FoL's are 100% of the healing we're doing, when a priest is spamming flash heals(lolpriestdontcast), they also have renew/pom/lightwell/shields healing, the same goes for shaman, monks, and druids.

Eternal flame is complete fucking garbage, it ticks for 6k and since it's attached to WoG it's constantly being fcked up, they should just make it the same as renew/rejuv.

Make sacred shield baseline, eternal flame work like a normal HoT, and do something about the amount of offensive dispels in this game. Every single team has 2-3 offensive dispels atm which means freedom/bop/sac/our shitty 6k hot, all last 2 seconds if we're lucky.

Edited by Radejjj, 30 September 2013 - 05:38 PM.


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 09:36 PM

21k flash of lights with ms on in arena....
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Posted 30 September 2013 - 10:02 PM

I adore you Holypaladins, tbh the whole spec needs a complete overhaul.. Adding some hots / more healing (ergo more homogenization) just won't solve the problem.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 10:17 PM

View Postzenton, on 30 September 2013 - 10:02 PM, said:

I adore you Holypaladins, tbh the whole spec needs a complete overhaul.. Adding some hots / more healing (ergo more homogenization) just won't solve the problem.

People always act like homogenization is this evil word. Druids, shaman, and both priest specs heal very differently while having all the tools necessary to do well. The only time paladins are ever really strong is when dumb gimmicky shit like KFC is dominant.

And I don't think paladins are bad, priests are just way too good, and they've always been kind of anti-paladin. I only want minor tweaks for the spec, like making eternal flame a normal HoT like renew/rejuv.

Edited by Radejjj, 30 September 2013 - 10:18 PM.


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 11:56 PM

View PostRadejjj, on 30 September 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

Every single team has 2-3 offensive dispels atm which means freedom/bop/sac/our shitty 6k hot, all last 2 seconds if we're lucky.

You forgot Selfless Healer stacks. Why that's dispellable who the fuck knows.

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 08:08 AM

View PostRadejjj, on 30 September 2013 - 10:17 PM, said:

People always act like homogenization is this evil word. Druids, shaman, and both priest specs heal very differently while having all the tools necessary to do well. The only time paladins are ever really strong is when dumb gimmicky shit like KFC is dominant.

And I don't think paladins are bad, priests are just way too good, and they've always been kind of anti-paladin. I only want minor tweaks for the spec, like making eternal flame a normal HoT like renew/rejuv.

Homogenization is bad when it blurs the borders between specs and classes, when it starts to promote cd blowing and less decision making. Holypaladins are one of the specs that have serious problems in this case.
Back in the times of BC pallies weren't strong (they were the weakest healers) still they got Holyshock, wich was exclusive as instant, targeted heal, a meaningful (not perfect tho) seal system and exclusive, supportive buffs like BoP, Freedom and an also exclusive dispel (Magic-poison-disease).

In Wotlk they kept something from this, but after that all has changed. Seals are now a non-factor, every heal spec now has a targeted instant heal and stuff like Freedom is also accesible to more classes. Even bubble is not a special thing (Dark Bargain).
You may say that pallies have now Holypower but just for like Spriests it's only a fake-combopoint system. For them, shadow orbs are but a (shared) cooldown on DP - same for Wog.

I'm not saying paladins are bad, because they aren't. As you said, other healers are better and priests simply counter the whole class. This won't however change the fact that holypallies need a complete overhaul and they cannot be fixed or make more skillcapped by changing some numbers or nerfing others (..just like warriors).

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 11:16 AM

I love 20k flashes vs war comp, idk how this class can actually heal without cds

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 09:17 AM

View PostChickz, on 13 September 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

heals feels alot stronger this patch. mana is just retarded, its actually impossible to go oom

I only go oom vs warrior / caster teams :| 23k flash heals makes me kinda sad

I'm also trying the legendary meta and it does seem decent, it doesn't proc that much but the intellect on it is nice




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