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#1 Azaelz

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 02:29 AM

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Posting on behalf of Kisz.

**Update:

Hello again everyone,

I'm here with very good news today as we just found out that our disqualification has been reverted. I'm sure in no small part due to the efforts of everyone here who supported us.

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I'm writing this now to thank everyone who helped us in any way, we truly appreciate it. I was overwhelmed by the responses I received in-game, over Skype and in this thread from all the people sending their regards and support, it means a great deal to me personally to have that many friends be there for me when the chips were down.

Hopefully everyone can see now that we were legitimate and that unfortunately Blizzard does sometimes make mistakes.

I'd like to give a shout to Xarkhorin, a Spanish EU game master who did more for us than any other person at blizzard with whom I spoke, he took the time to properly look into our case and it showed. Thank you.


Hello everyone,

As some of you may know by now the Rank-1 5v5 team on Tichondrius-US (Shindy, Iamzod, Thinkchair, Jyostar & myself (Kisz)) has been disqualified for allegedly participating in "fixed" arena matches.
Email: http://imgur.com/fC5gOC7

I'm writing this post on my teammates behalf with the intention to give our side of the story and refute these claims, nothing more. I will not be crying, flaming, linking Skype logs/screenshots or inciting drama of any kind though it may be a long read. I know that the arena community is not what it once was nor do I expect to change the status quo towards online achievements because I would never be so naïve as to think that I could. For those of you who know me personally either in-game or through my stream I would like to think that you know I would never cheat to get ahead, not in real life nor online. I generally never compete in 5s, It's more often than not a corrupted mess of meaningless ddos, win trading, sniping, paid carries and other such nastiness. This time however it did mean something to me which is why I felt the need to bring this here because I can say with conviction that every single one of the games played on our 5v5 team “dont speak english” was 100% legitimate. I've spoken to the relevant people at blizzard and there is nothing that can be done to reverse the disqualification, that's not what this is about.

On the final night there were 3 other high teams queuing that we knew about from observing in-game.

Team 1;  Novoz, Thugonomics, Veller, Snaregodx & Dannycarey
Team 2; Sodah, Talbadar, Venruki, Karvinen, Kollektiv & Nadagast
Team 3; Hansol, Dibz, Takenotez, Shapez & Dotatko (apologies if I misspelled any of your names, I feel like you probably don't all have “z” at the end haha)

Events as they happened from our point of view:

TLDR; We played against 2 games against 2 different teams on the final night (Hansol and Novoz) and beat them both legitimately, all parties involved know that there was no foul play and should be able to testify as such. We queued up that night not knowing who we would fight or what the outcome would be.

-We played consistently throughout the season with multiple different people, attaining and holding R1 for a significant portion of the season.
-Going into the last few weeks Team 1 overtook us and we proceeded to leap frog up in rating, eventually ending with our team at 2642 and theirs slightly lower.
-In the following days they queued up and also landed on 2642. We were tied, we accepted that with the knowledge that if any other teams were to approach that rating we would simply queue up again.
-Going into the final day of the season our teams were still equal and that night everybody was online. We knew that Team 2 was queuing and we were waiting to see how they did.
-Team 2 and Team 3 queue into each other 3(?) times and Team 2 is now approaching our rating, we decide to queue up.
-We play Team 3 and win.
-We queue up, we play Team 1 and win. Our rating is now 2673. This is where we ended at.
-Team 3 stops queuing and disbands their team. (found out about this later)
-Team 1 and Team 2 now queue against each other multiple times to try and catch up with our rating. We do not queue at this time because there is no need to until the winner of this series is decided, we had a significant lead.

Fast forward to the final hour and at that point we knew that Team 1 had beaten Team 2 and were close to our rating but we were unable to locate them in-game to check their arena rating. We decided to queue up with very little time left until the server downtime and face Team 1, we kill a member of their team but the server goes down before the game has ended, no points awarded or subtracted from either team. There was no way for us to know what their rating was, we didn't know who was higher until the next day when the armoury came up.

As my final thoughts I'd like to say that I met the Korean team through doing arena on Tich, I live in the UK, they live in Korea and we're both playing on US servers. Despite being across the world from each other, playing in three different time zones and not speaking the same language we were able to connect and enjoy WoW together, this is why I’ve always appreciated the internet and online gaming. The community is what both makes this game great and at the same time threatens it the most. I was very privileged to get to play with them, they are all great people and regardless of this disappointing outcome they earned their rank 1spot on Tichondrius playing arena how it was intended to be played by being friendly, enjoying their time playing and above all being fair and honest in the process.

I appreciate those of you who still make WoW enjoyable and thank you for taking the time to read this wall of text. Best of luck in Season 14.


Regards
Kisz


P.S. It will always be harder to be kind and decent, especially online, but don't think for a second that it's not worth it. Better believe that.

Edited by Azaelz, 14 September 2013 - 07:57 PM.


#2 Icekingx

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 02:32 AM

Free Kisz!

Rawrbertlol, on 14 June 2013 - 08:41 AM, said:

Best signatures on entire website.
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#3 Braindance

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 02:36 AM

Inb4 team 1 is dqd and team 2 gets r1

Calling it now.

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

#4 Filthpig

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 02:44 AM

Rank one hasn't been a legitimate thing in quite some time, I don't even think half of the rank one players since cata drops got it legitimately... and now when people are getting it legitimately the hostile community reports them and they lose it.

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 02:50 AM

shout out to tyrannical gladiator snaregodx

#6 flannelsoff

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 02:59 AM

View PostBailamosx, on 13 September 2013 - 01:05 AM, said:

I consider it a great irony that we are to automatically presume this team's innocence because Kisz is a nice guy, they're Korean, or because Azael titles this thread, "The Truth" followed by an oddly placed semi-colon. I wish to have this noted on a similar topic concerning the presumption of guilt or innocence: Dannycarey is also a nice guy, he's an extremely talented and methodical player, and, he's going to Blizzcon because of it. And yet, I recall watching Azael indict him on stream, without proof, decrying Dannycarey as a, "no-name shitter that cheats". Thus, I challenge Azael and co. to have the decency to tweet, Skype, stream to clear the name of Dannycarey with the same type of publicity (as displayed here) with which they besmirched it.

Edited by flannelsoff, 14 September 2013 - 01:08 AM.


#7 Gekz

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 03:03 AM

rofl they actually start off a disqualification email with Greetings Traveler,

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 03:07 AM

i know this feel

#9 Justwoo

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 03:08 AM

the scum get r1 and the legit teams get reset
(the team on tich is not scum im referring to the ddos wintrade people on other bgs that dont get reset)

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#10 justchecking

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 03:09 AM

Kisz nicest player in the game blizzard done goofed.

#11 Snuggli

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 03:12 AM

View PostAzaelz, on 12 September 2013 - 02:29 AM, said:

I've spoken to the relevant people at blizzard and there is nothing that can be done to reverse the disqualification, that's not what this is about.

Complete bullshit. I find it extremely hard to believe that they can't manually award a title, achievement and mount if they later find Kisz's team is actually legit. Pure laziness on Blizzards behalf, rofl.

View PostBraindance, on 11 October 2013 - 12:44 PM, said:

Go listen to some Bieber shit and leave me alone fucko.

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 03:22 AM



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View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 03:25 AM

Apparently teams 1 through 3 thought they were playing in the bleached bones tournament and could just ban Kisz to victory.
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 03:29 AM

They were clearly legit, no reason for a DQ.

EDIT: Bringing this good point to the front page.

View PostBailamosx, on 13 September 2013 - 01:05 AM, said:

I consider it a great irony that we are to automatically presume this team's innocence because Kisz is a nice guy, they're Korean, or because Azael titles this thread, "The Truth" followed by an oddly placed semi-colon. I wish to have this noted on a similar topic concerning the presumption of guilt or innocence: Dannycarey is also a nice guy, he's an extremely talented and methodical player, and, he's going to Blizzcon because of it. And yet, I recall watching Azael indict him on stream, without proof, decrying Dannycarey as a, "no-name shitter that cheats". Thus, I challenge Azael and co. to have the decency to tweet, Skype, stream to clear the name of Dannycarey with the same type of publicity (as displayed here) with which they besmirched it.

Edited by Mageic, 14 September 2013 - 01:00 AM.


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Posted 12 September 2013 - 03:40 AM

Sent you an AJ message, sorry to hear of your DQ. Legit teams get dqed while scumlords get their titles

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 04:06 AM

View PostMageic, on 12 September 2013 - 03:29 AM, said:

They were clearly legit, no reason for a DQ.

I'm so jaded that this felt sarcastic when I first read it.
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Posted 12 September 2013 - 04:21 AM

sorry to hear :^)

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 04:29 AM

Sucks that the most legit team on the most legit BG got reset.

Kisz is probably the nicest guy I've met on WoW, it really sucks that this happened to him...

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 04:52 AM

View PostPitiless, on 12 September 2013 - 04:29 AM, said:

Sucks that the most legit team on the most legit BG got reset.

Kisz is probably the nicest guy I've met on WoW, it really sucks that this happened to him...

agree +1

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 05:41 PM

Ridiculous stuff happens at the end of every season, but usually it's the other way (people doing shady stuff and successfully securing titles).

This is actually the dumbest such event I've ever witnessed. If there is a single player in all of WoW who I'd trust never to have cheated, it's Kisz.
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