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#21 Ezyo1000

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 11:19 PM

People need to actually read that thread. Fury warriors aren't asking to nerf arms, They want blizz to nerf arms AoE/cleave and buff there ST target so that arms and fury are close enough in damage that they can play either spec and not be a detriment to their raid.

As it stands righ tnow, arms is 20%+ ahead of fury in Aoe/cleave heavy fights (about half the bosses) And fury is 10-15% ahead of arms in single target fights (the other hald) meaning people have to reforge constantly to help the raid, and on top of that, arms mechanically is bad so people who dont like arms have to play it in order to stay competitive.

So no, they dont want to just nerf arms and leave it useless, they want it to be a choice and have it be personal preference, not "You lose 10-15% damage in single target if you go arms thos boss, and you lose 20%+ on aoe if you go fury for that boss" Its really stupid

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 11:42 PM

This isn't about PvE, This is about how the thread made by PvE'ers will affect Arms PvP. I doubt anyone here could give a f** if Arms is OP or worthless in raids, but blizz reading that thread will ultimately decide to nerf arms damage without compensation which in most cases will counter the only damage buff we received in 5.4.

Nerfing deep wounds will also affect our little single target pressure. In PTR, I've had 15k deep wound ticks, while Mortal strike and Overpower hit for less than that. If they nerf that which I'm sure they will after reading that thread, then Arms will probably revolve completely around slam and Slam only.

#23 Braindance

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 11:47 PM

View PostRtf, on 31 August 2013 - 11:16 PM, said:

Sorry forgot that all I played was priest...



How is focused will a counter only to warriors? By your logic, priest should counter ever single damage dealer in the game. I swear your posts get worse and worse.
Because overpower.

Why do you play a high intellect class when you're dumb

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

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If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

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bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

#24 Rtf

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 12:16 AM

View PostBraindance, on 31 August 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:

Because overpower.

Why do you play a high intellect class when you're dumb

It procs off any class performing their normal rotation apart from rogues and affli locks. Warriors aren't some special snowflake class that are shit no matter what and are always get the rough end of the stick like the majority of your posts suggest.

Go play ptr, quit crying and grow up.

#25 Braindance

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 12:32 AM

View PostRtf, on 01 September 2013 - 12:16 AM, said:

It procs off any class performing their normal rotation apart from rogues and affli locks. Warriors aren't some special snowflake class that are shit no matter what and are always get the rough end of the stick like the majority of your posts suggest.

Go play ptr, quit crying and grow up.
Who the fuck said they suck? Who the fuck said they get the rough end of the stick?

Just don't come in here saying the damage is "insane" because it's not. it's high AS IT SHOULD BE.

I'm 2.4k on the PTR #yolo blaze it

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

#26 Rtf

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 12:41 AM

View PostBraindance, on 01 September 2013 - 12:32 AM, said:

Who the fuck said they suck? Who the fuck said they get the rough end of the stick?

Just don't come in here saying the damage is "insane" because it's not. it's high AS IT SHOULD BE.

I'm 2.4k on the PTR #yolo blaze it

Almost every single one of your posts is about how much warriors suck.

And the damage is insane. Burst is high. Sustained is high. Mobility is high. You can stop healers casting for days. Warriors are easily best melee with rets not far behind.

#27 Evilcow

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 12:50 AM

View PostRtf, on 01 September 2013 - 12:41 AM, said:

Almost every single one of your posts is about how much warriors suck.

And the damage is insane. Burst is high. Sustained is high. Mobility is high. You can stop healers casting for days. Warriors are easily best melee with rets not far behind.

All true.
All he does is post about how much warriors suck and ask for changes that make warriors OP and don't make them a fun class to play at all.
Warrior's sustained damage is insanely high on the PTR and ferals took warrior's place as the worst melee.

#28 Braindance

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 12:52 AM

View PostRtf, on 01 September 2013 - 12:41 AM, said:

Almost every single one of your posts is about how much warriors suck.

And the damage is insane. Burst is high. Sustained is high. Mobility is high. You can stop healers casting for days. Warriors are easily best melee with rets not far behind.
Damage is high. Burst is high. Mobility is high. You can't stop healers casting for days - we are not dks. Warriors best melee? Perhaps. OP? No

All my posts are directed towards making warriors better, specifically paying attention to NOT making them OP.

But you and your :rogue: :mage: :priest:  wouldn't understand because yolo.

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

#29 Marshmellow

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 01:56 AM

in terms of pure melee damage monks have warriors beat on the ptr right now, in terms of utility warriors are better than monk, its pretty much an even tie for best melee between monks and warriors atm with dks, rets and rogues right behind them

classes WILL get toned down/ buffed because of pve next patch, it always happens

Edited by Marshmellow, 01 September 2013 - 01:57 AM.

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#30 Volatile

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 02:40 AM

Arms Warrior's single target isn't great in PvE so I don't think we have too much to worry about.  Maybe an AoE vs single target adjustment.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 06:57 AM

View PostMarshmellow, on 01 September 2013 - 01:56 AM, said:

in terms of pure melee damage monks have warriors beat on the ptr right now, in terms of utility warriors are better than monk, its pretty much an even tie for best melee between monks and warriors atm with dks, rets and rogues right behind them

classes WILL get toned down/ buffed because of pve next patch, it always happens
What utility?
Shockwave = Legsweep / Fist of fury

#32 Moshe

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 07:34 AM

If you think warrior dmg is so INSANE just sit on him 24/7 and make him play defensive stance all game, works like a charm

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 07:47 AM

Warrior sucks butt

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 08:45 AM

View Postshunke, on 01 September 2013 - 06:57 AM, said:

What utility?
Shockwave = Legsweep / Fist of fury

rallying cry? mass spell reflect? safeguard? intervene? storm bolt? fear?

but I guess those abilities don't count right?
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Posted 01 September 2013 - 08:47 AM

View PostMarshmellow, on 01 September 2013 - 08:45 AM, said:

rallying cry? mass spell reflect? safeguard? intervene? storm bolt? fear?

but I guess those abilities don't count right?
safeguard=intervene
mass spell reflect=same tier as safeguard
fear lol no comment

I don't see where you're trying to get. Warrior utility is nowhere close to monk - you got so many skills I need 2 pages to enumerate them.

Edited by Braindance, 01 September 2013 - 08:53 AM.

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 09:01 AM

View PostRtf, on 01 September 2013 - 12:41 AM, said:

Almost every single one of your posts is about how much warriors suck.

And the damage is insane. Burst is high. Sustained is high. Mobility is high. You can stop healers casting for days. Warriors are easily best melee with rets not far behind.

Are
You
Fucking
Kidding
Me?

#37 Zectz

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 09:03 AM

View PostBraindance, on 01 September 2013 - 08:47 AM, said:


safeguard=intervene
mass spell reflect=same tier as safeguard
fear lol no comment

I don't see where you're trying to get. Warrior utility is nowhere close to monk - you got so many skills I need 2 pages to enumerate them.

Forgot to add that storm bolt is same teir as Avatar so we can't take it.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 09:26 AM

View PostZectz, on 01 September 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

Forgot to add that storm bolt is same teir as Avatar so we can't take it.
It's a decent choices vs some comps now, so it's "potential" utility. But let's not go overboard and say that the spec with the least amount of offensive and defensive utility in the game surpasses monks lol.

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 09:54 AM

The thing is, so many of you warriors have this feeling of entitlement that you shouldn't be 'shit'. The thing is, you aren't shit. On PTR you do stupid damage + you can't die. You have strong offensive and defensive cooldowns, you can't be peeled that easily (berserker fear, safeguard root, spell reflect poly/clone etc.) You have high armor and are tanky. Focused Will is perfectly fine as you are immune to a priest's only form of cc. You have 3-4 interrupts depending on range (charge, shockwave, disrupting, pummel). And dont even try to pull that ITS IN THE SAME TIER MHWA BUFF ME :((( shit on me, DKs for example only have AMZ for utility, but, as the entire aj community loves to complain about DK trinkets, if you wanna play with 4 trinkets you need to lose AMZ, and if you IBF a stun as a trinket you lose one of your few defensive cooldowns. What does a warrior lose?

TL;DR shut the fuck up warriors and man up, you are FINE on the ptr.
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Posted 01 September 2013 - 10:40 AM

If our damage is immensely high, then what about Locks? Monks? And ofc. DK's? And just tell me, priests having problems with Warrior's training them? Maybe it was Dk not Warrior. Dk's on ptr are absolute joke, outdamaging most melee by two times...That's just retarded.

And lets back to the topic, some suggestions here:
IMO. They should shift Deep Wounds damage to other abilities.
- DW damage reduced to where it was in 5.3
- MS 200% wep dmg
- Bladestorm nerfed to 160% (still viable but its mongo-insta low rating win would be reduced a bit.)
- Seasoned soldier +30% damage (from 25%)
- Sweeping strikes 15 sec. CD. This change shouldnt make it useless in PvP again, and at the same time slightly reduce its cleave potential in PvE.

One thing that i noticed is that blizzard dont like to buff Warriors damage. Even if it wasnt close to its previous Glorious state and still isnt (like in WoTLK), they just dont care, they buff most of our non-damage abilities and just shit out at our damage. And when it comes to the time when our damage must be buffed, they increase damage on a fuckin bleed that isnt even giving any fun and we cant even controll this fuckin shit. As a result Deep Wounds, became a third most hiting spell/ability in our game, im talking about a single tick not a overall damage that comes for its full 15 sec. duration.
Only Execute and Slam hit harder......Hello, blizzard wake up! We are not ferals or any other bleed based class. I miss my Warrior being a brute killing machine runing in the middle of the battle, crushing and smashing people with immense power left and right. Now i dont feel it anymore, i dont feel it since cata 4.2.....

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