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#1 freshfreefly

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 04:27 PM

So i was just looking through the changes when i noticed this:

Burden of Guilt has been replaced with a new talent called Evil is a Point of View.

New Talent: Evil is a Point of View. Evil is a Point of View allows the Paladin to use Turn Evil on players and beasts.

I obviously though "Hm, that's not a bad idea - a class having to cast some CC instead of it all being instant will be cool. i hope they are gonna keep this direction".

At that point though, i already thought it would be quite OP. then i saw the glyph, though:

Glyph of Turn Evil
Reduces the casting time of your Turn Evil spell by 100%, but increases the cooldown by 8 sec.

So there you've got it. An instant, 8 second fear with an 8 second CD useable on humanoids, undeads and beasts.

hide your char, hide your teammates & hide your wives and embrace yourselves - ret paladins just got another instant CC, looking so much forward to facing them in 5.4 with the damage increases they're generally getting.

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View PostYoloswaggae, on 08 August 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

Glyph of Turn Evil has been replaced with Glyph of Burden of Guilt.

Glyph of Burden of Guilt causes Judgment to reduce the target's movement speed by 50% for 2 seconds.


just leaving this here.

Turns out they're just getting a fear without CD that has 1.5 sec CD before haste.

Thanks for the clarification, but i'd still like to know why they're buffing the rets :o

Edited by freshfreefly, 08 August 2013 - 04:34 PM.


#2 Yoloswaggae

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 04:31 PM

Glyph of Turn Evil has been replaced with Glyph of Burden of Guilt.
        
            Glyph of Burden of Guilt causes Judgment to reduce the target's movement speed by 50% for 2 seconds.


just leaving this here.
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#3 freshfreefly

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 04:33 PM

Wait so they're just getting a fear without CD that has 1.5 sec CD before haste?

Thanks for the clarification, but i'd still like to know why they're buffing the rets :o

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 04:40 PM

Hoj probably better than a fear they have to cast, maybe dependent on the comp tho.
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Posted 08 August 2013 - 04:46 PM

you think? i think a fear without CD would be a lot stronger than removing some CD on HoJ.

we'll see =)

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 05:27 PM

it has a 15s cd

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 05:39 PM

Do ret paladins ever spec into repentance? No. What happened to hungering cold after it was given a cast time? Ret paladins are tunneled most games, if you ever let one get a fear off you deserve to lose.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 05:51 PM

View PostRadejjj, on 08 August 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

Do ret paladins ever spec into repentance? No. What happened to hungering cold after it was given a cast time? Ret paladins are tunneled most games, if you ever let one get a fear off you deserve to lose.

Im pretty sure hes talking about the glyph that made the dream of rets a true thing, a slow without losing their First of Justice, ret glyphs sucks anyway

Edited by dionim, 08 August 2013 - 06:12 PM.


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Posted 08 August 2013 - 05:56 PM

View PostQuits, on 08 August 2013 - 05:27 PM, said:

it has a 15s cd

This, and next time try looking at 1 of the other 100 posts about this...
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Posted 08 August 2013 - 06:21 PM

View PostRadejjj, on 08 August 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

Do ret paladins ever spec into repentance? No. What happened to hungering cold after it was given a cast time? Ret paladins are tunneled most games, if you ever let one get a fear off you deserve to lose.

How can you even compare the two....Hungering cold had a relatively short range. All people had to do was run out of range.

The rets fear has a 20 yard range (compared to 10 yards with DKs hungering cold), and has a much shorter cast time than hungering cold. 1.5 seconds BEFORE haste is integrated in. Considering rets stack haste after strength you can expect that cast to be closer to a 1 second cast time.

Also hungering cold broke on ANY damage. Fear as we all know takes quite a lot of damage before it breaks. We can even expect rets to use this on healers when going for a kill on them.

I honestly think that this will be a very strong ability. More than anything I think it will open them up to more comps.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 06:37 PM

Ret elemental shaman resto druid! fock yeah! fear hex and clone ftw :D

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:20 AM

View PostRadejjj, on 08 August 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

Do ret paladins ever spec into repentance? No. What happened to hungering cold after it was given a cast time? Ret paladins are tunneled most games, if you ever let one get a fear off you deserve to lose.

View PostInfluence123, on 08 August 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

How can you even compare the two....Hungering cold had a relatively short range. All people had to do was run out of range.

The rets fear has a 20 yard range (compared to 10 yards with DKs hungering cold), and has a much shorter cast time than hungering cold. 1.5 seconds BEFORE haste is integrated in. Considering rets stack haste after strength you can expect that cast to be closer to a 1 second cast time.

Also hungering cold broke on ANY damage. Fear as we all know takes quite a lot of damage before it breaks. We can even expect rets to use this on healers when going for a kill on them.

I honestly think that this will be a very strong ability. More than anything I think it will open them up to more comps.

was nerfed to 1.7 seconds a few patches ago.
as for "u suck if a ret fears you" thats where dev aura and bubble will come in handy. with bubbly glyph providing a heal based on dispels, spamming flash heal immediately into a bubble wont be as necessary anymore. glyph of burden being a 2 second slow also meshes well with a 1.7 second-minus-haste cast when your target is not within interrupt range

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 01:57 AM

View Postoriginalret, on 09 August 2013 - 12:20 AM, said:

was nerfed to 1.7 seconds a few patches ago.
as for "u suck if a ret fears you" thats where dev aura and bubble will come in handy. with bubbly glyph providing a heal based on dispels, spamming flash heal immediately into a bubble wont be as necessary anymore. glyph of burden being a 2 second slow also meshes well with a 1.7 second-minus-haste cast when your target is not within interrupt range

I am not sure where you are getting the 1.7 second cast time from.  I just checked on the PTR, and my cast time is at 1.24 seconds in full gear.

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 03:27 AM

View PostRadejjj, on 08 August 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

Do ret paladins ever spec into repentance? No. What happened to hungering cold after it was given a cast time? Ret paladins are tunneled most games, if you ever let one get a fear off you deserve to lose.

so your saying locks shouldn't land one fear since they are trained? and if they do you are bad?

Edited by Paulweezy, 09 August 2013 - 03:28 AM.


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Posted 09 August 2013 - 05:45 AM

biggest trolll Evaze, plays a mage and doesn't think rets need to be buffed, LOLOLOOLOL

also stop overreacting as soon as u see 1 single shit thing that rets wont even use and make a post about it. Read the notes chill out, think..

damnit I facepalm so bad when I see stuff like this.

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 07:24 AM

View PostImTooAmped, on 09 August 2013 - 01:57 AM, said:

I am not sure where you are getting the 1.7 second cast time from.  I just checked on the PTR, and my cast time is at 1.24 seconds in full gear.

http://us.battle.net...2#class_paladin

"Repentance now has a cast time of 1.7 seconds (was 1.5 seconds)."

my bad

(however this little fact makes turn evil even more appealing than repentance)

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 07:36 AM

View Postoriginalret, on 09 August 2013 - 07:24 AM, said:

http://us.battle.net...2#class_paladin

"Repentance now has a cast time of 1.7 seconds (was 1.5 seconds)."

my bad

(however this little fact makes turn evil even more appealing than repentance)

While I actually didn't consider the cast time difference, which is admittedly huge, I stand by my statement that if you're feared by a ret paladin your entire team fucked up massively.

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 08:59 AM

A new zerlog / conviqt has been born..

View Postoriginalret, on 09 August 2013 - 07:24 AM, said:

(however this little fact makes turn evil even more appealing than repentance)

It has 20 yards range just like fist, TE is not gona be picked ever

Edited by Mirionx, 09 August 2013 - 08:59 AM.


#19 freshfreefly

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 10:10 AM

It's funny because the people telling me that i'm stupid and retarded etc. are the people who play ret paladins and they are all playing it around 2100-2200. Why would you not want an 8 second fear with 1.24s cast time fully geared? You already have an aura mastery and AoE CC for anybody near you, really shouldn't be hard landing these out of HoJes / blinds / traps.

All i'm saying is that i don't see why rets need to be buffed right now, to me it seems like right now they are just a worse version of ferals but still majorly OP.

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 10:51 AM

View PostRadejjj, on 08 August 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

Do ret paladins ever spec into repentance? No. What happened to hungering cold after it was given a cast time? Ret paladins are tunneled most games, if you ever let one get a fear off you deserve to lose.

This. Unless you're running like Rsham/Magi/Ret or something similar with plenty of stun DR and control DR, the talent isn't going to be chosen. That isn't considering the fact that even when you run a comp that could make use of the fear DR, it won't be optimal against teams with tremor, or even undead priest teams in all honesty. It's simply better to have the reliable, instant stun for most comps.

I'll certainly be trying it out. My alt is a Magi so im already used to the casted CCs. Honestly only forsee myself taking this talent against certain comps and only when running a very small handful of comps.




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