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#21 Angrypiexx

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 08:49 PM

rogue out of dance:

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 09:01 PM

View PostAngrypiexx, on 08 August 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

rogue out of dance:

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Ye thats how it is

#23 The_Observer

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 10:00 PM

View Postinsanepimpmobile, on 08 August 2013 - 08:41 PM, said:

my worry is that rogue cds will be too strong. with dance as of right now i can 100-0 before the dance ends with pvp gear, on ptr.
Dance dmg isn't much better than live yea 522 gear would mean more dmg but remember they nerfed evis 10% and removed the mastery medallion. Evis only crits about 20-25k harder than in 496's on live and you have to get double evis crits for dance to be good still.

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 10:47 PM

View PostThe_Observer, on 08 August 2013 - 10:00 PM, said:

Dance dmg isn't much better than live yea 522 gear would mean more dmg but remember they nerfed evis 10% and removed the mastery medallion. Evis only crits about 20-25k harder than in 496's on live and you have to get double evis crits for dance to be good still.

evis dmg nerfed by 10% but ap scaling got buffed its not that big of a nerf

#25 The_Observer

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Posted 08 August 2013 - 11:15 PM

View PostVarellx, on 08 August 2013 - 10:47 PM, said:

evis dmg nerfed by 10% but ap scaling got buffed its not that big of a nerf
My point still stands about how much dmg went up with dance which isn't much and dmg outside dance is not really any better than live. Basically the burst hasn't really changed and sustained hasn't the only real difference in 5.3 and 5.4 sub dmg is that you don't have to use rupture but that comes at the cost a current glyph.

#26 dogknightskillclass

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:40 AM

View PostAcerMVP, on 08 August 2013 - 01:37 PM, said:

Go play a fucking warrior.

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#27 mwibaby

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 06:23 PM

Rogues are okay, just everything else seems better.

I'm not quite sure why when rogues were "op" blizz decided to completely ruin the ability that made us "strong" AND nerf the trinket that was 99.5% of the reason our class was "OP" but, hey, that's blizz. I'm glad they fixed the trinket, and I think a little baby nerf to Cloak and Dagger would've been acceptable, maybe a little 2 sec cd (That's quite a lot of time as a rogue) on the "teleport" but completely removing it from dance seems overkill when you compare what our class has to what other classes have.

In an ideal world, I'd want blizz to nerf a lot of crap in the game rather than buff rogues to be "just as OP". The game isn't super fun when every arena game you have, win or lose, there's a moment when you can say "That's so stupid, how can that class do that?" - even if it's about every class.
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 07:20 PM

the problem is that we have too much damage in dance and nothing out of it, (hemo for 6k) etc and we just have to turtle, so ofc its not as fun as it used to be. But still I feel like they should just nerf the damage that is done in dance and give us much more consistent, yet rogues are still somewhat viable, though get horribly countered by ferals but still yea, we just need other classes to be nerfed such as ferals, dks, hunters, for us to be more viable:> when that happens, all should be good on the rogue front, with all the mobility changes coming our way - keep your head up:)!
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 07:26 PM

I understand the sentiment people have, "I'd rather see other classes' CC/damage nerfed to our level instead of Rogues buffed to OP status with them", but that just isn't going to happen so we might as well pray for buffs.

#30 The_Observer

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 08:02 PM

View PostChubbsmalone, on 09 August 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

I understand the sentiment people have, "I'd rather see other classes' CC/damage nerfed to our level instead of Rogues buffed to OP status with them", but that just isn't going to happen so we might as well pray for buffs.
This, the pvp meta not going to change until 6.0 (where they will break more than they fix as usual) rogues can only hope to be put up to other classes lvl. But honestly the ptr is to far along for rogues to get fixes at this point. The only thing left is dmg tuning.

#31 apoxy

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 08:04 PM

View PostAngrypiexx, on 08 August 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

rogue out of dance:


This shows perfectly how i feel


#32 RankOneFeralJK

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 08:05 PM

Rogues are looking absolutely better in 5.4 over live, the fact that rogues are going in the right direction and slightly buffed, and the fact ferals getting mildly nerfs, def will cause the mass feral player base to trickle out of the fotm and more into their respected roles of dogshit at the classes they normally play. That in itself is a direct buff to rogues.

#33 The_Observer

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 10:39 PM

Looks like sub dmg will be even worse and the recup buffs won't matter.

https://twitter.com/...956913369849858

"Testing on the PTR has demonstrated that PvP damage/healing is too high. We will be tuning Base Resilience and Battle Fatigue."

#34 Marshmellow

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 10:41 PM

View PostThe_Observer, on 09 August 2013 - 10:39 PM, said:

Looks like sub dmg will be even worse and the recup buffs won't matter.

https://twitter.com/...956913369849858

"Testing on the PTR has demonstrated that PvP damage/healing is too high. We will be tuning Base Resilience and Battle Fatigue."

that's what happens when reckful plays a class on the ptr unfortunately
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#35 Coldizzle

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 10:51 PM

View PostZerlog, on 08 August 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

ROGUES WONT BE PLAYED NEXT PATCH?, HAVE YOU EVEN BEEN ON PTR? I REPEAT HAVE YOU EVEN BEEN ON PTR?

Killing spree first global KILL?


PS how do you think mages feel when they meet a Feral and cant peel him? or even stop him..
wont stay like that for too long
also who plays combat: pshh

#36 Evasionx

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 10:53 PM

View PostHiddenstalke, on 08 August 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

Play Monk instead.

I did it :P

PS: Still have fun on rogue though, its my baby
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 11:23 PM

View Postmexxer, on 08 August 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

Dear Aj.
I just feel that rogues got nothing, just give them step @ 15 sec & step thro roots, and all will be fine.

Its not even fun to play the class anymore & they wont be fine next patch

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#38 Starbuck

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 04:35 AM

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#39 skeetFace

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 06:41 PM

I try ptr 5.4 and rogue need more damage out of dance...

View PostAngrypiexx, on 08 August 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

rogue out of dance:

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Edited by skeetFace, 11 August 2013 - 06:47 PM.


#40 RankOneFeralJK

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 06:46 PM

Are you going for crit over mastery as sub? You should be with the damage buffs etc, according to ayume anyway.
by damage buffs im ref hemo and bs





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