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#21 Doseisfresh

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 12:51 AM

View PostMirionx, on 11 July 2013 - 09:35 AM, said:

Rets don't need more sustained damage, they just need burst nerfs

Can't do that though because of PvE.  The only solution to ret burst being nerfed is sustained buffs, Ret in PvE is complete shit outside of burst.  Goes from ridiculously high, to complete dog.
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Posted 21 July 2013 - 12:57 AM

View PostDoseisfresh, on 21 July 2013 - 12:51 AM, said:

Can't do that though because of PvE.  The only solution to ret burst being nerfed is sustained buffs, Ret in PvE is complete shit outside of burst.  Goes from ridiculously high, to complete dog.

Reading this just made me realize how much it sucks being a pvper. #Nevergoingtohavebalance

#23 Braindance

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 01:01 AM

View PostDoseisfresh, on 21 July 2013 - 12:51 AM, said:

Can't do that though because of PvE.  The only solution to ret burst being nerfed is sustained buffs, Ret in PvE is complete shit outside of burst.  Goes from ridiculously high, to complete dog.
No.

In fact  it's middle to high,

MM hunters and arms warriors are complete shit not rets.

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

#24 Doseisfresh

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 01:26 AM

View PostBraindance, on 21 July 2013 - 01:01 AM, said:

No.

In fact  it's middle to high,

MM hunters and arms warriors are complete shit not rets.

Outside of burst I said, nerf the only good part of their damage and it must be compensated.  Ret's good in PvE because of the burst being so good.
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Posted 21 July 2013 - 01:36 AM

View PostDoseisfresh, on 21 July 2013 - 01:26 AM, said:

Outside of burst I said, nerf the only good part of their damage and it must be compensated.  Ret's good in PvE because of the burst being so good.
Rets always had shit sustained and huge burst - why should this change now? I mean, you already have unparalleled defensive utility and excellent burst (and most of it completely ignores armor). I see absolutely no reason for this design to change. PvP-wise you could get some slight nerfs and still be t1.

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

#26 Doseisfresh

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 01:58 AM

View PostBraindance, on 21 July 2013 - 01:36 AM, said:

Rets always had shit sustained and huge burst - why should this change now? I mean, you already have unparalleled defensive utility and excellent burst (and most of it completely ignores armor). I see absolutely no reason for this design to change. PvP-wise you could get some slight nerfs and still be t1.

I'd be down for burst nerfs, our damage is stupid.  But, all I am saying is if burst was nerfed sustained will have to go up for pve reasons.  Which, as you said, isn't what ret is about, it's always(during it's pve viability) been insane burst followed by weak sustained.
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Posted 21 July 2013 - 02:04 AM

hunters aren't even being toned down that much, only in terms of utility

in fact, hunters suck ass in PVE on the ptr, so they've already said they're going to buff hunter damage overall plus take a look at buffing signature shots/kill command because arcane shot spamming is just as good damage rotationally

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 02:54 AM

What people do not realise is this.

http://www.wowhead.com/item=41105 9% dmg increase + http://www.wowhead.com/spell=105809 30% dmg increase + http://www.wowhead.com/spell=66011 20% dmg increase + http://www.wowhead.com/spell=84963 30% dmg increase + http://www.wowhead.com/spell=86698 20% str buff (not sure if i had this up) 2 human pvp trinket procs (not 100% sure if i had both up)

Results in this =

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This pic was taken maybe week ago on live on my ret alt  playing hunter ret 2v2

Macro swifty + HoW and by time they realise they have to pop some def cd someone is already dead if it crits

Edited by sarma, 21 July 2013 - 03:04 AM.

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 04:06 AM

View Postterribleperson, on 12 July 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

While I didn't word that right, you're mistaken. Rets do not have any defensive utility that is not easily countered by a dispell.

I'm trained into the ground 95% of the time. I'm sure that's because of my staggering amountof defensive capabilities, right?

Also, I don't disagree with you about this thread. I was trying to ignore the whiney tone of the OP


Ret burst is out of control and it is plain retarded.

Rets are being trained because they heal their teammates more than their healer does.

I'd just state that Rets are currently like S11 Vial Rogues. Your health goes from 100% to 35% in one global. Yes, literally, in one global.
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#30 Mirionx

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 08:24 AM

View Postysnakewoo, on 21 July 2013 - 04:06 AM, said:

I'd just state that Rets are currently like S11 Vial Rogues. Your health goes from 100% to 35% in one global. Yes, literally, in one global.

But so does whoever they target too :) just like s11 rogues

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 02:35 AM

View PostMirionx, on 21 July 2013 - 08:24 AM, said:

But so does whoever they target too :) just like s11 rogues

Um... That's exactly what he said.




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