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Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:04 AM

what to get?? I have relic of xuen and the shado-pan trinket

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:15 AM

id say relic of xuen and the tyranical agi proc trinkets, they seem to be the best for most classes right now

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 11:20 AM

Bad juju if you're BM along with xuen is BiS.
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Posted 24 June 2013 - 11:23 AM

View PostRaphner, on 24 June 2013 - 11:20 AM, said:

Bad juju if you're BM along with xuen is BiS.
I don't know about PvP, but in PvE everyone spits on Juju because it procs very rarely.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 11:48 AM

View PostRaphner, on 24 June 2013 - 11:20 AM, said:

Bad juju if you're BM along with xuen is BiS.

No, Xuen & Proc tyrann agi.
Why?
Because they're ICD trinkets and Juju is RPPM, which means the proc is random and scales with iLvl, which gets downscaled in arena.

Xuen has a low ICD and very relyable proc chance, same with tyrannical agility.
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Posted 24 June 2013 - 12:02 PM

View PostNyeshyo, on 24 June 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

No, Xuen & Proc tyrann agi.
Why?
Because they're ICD trinkets and Juju is RPPM, which means the proc is random and scales with iLvl, which gets downscaled in arena.

Xuen has a low ICD and very relyable proc chance, same with tyrannical agility.

You're clearly forgetting the mastery you're getting from Bad juju wich is why its BiS as BM.
It's a flat 10% more damage for your pet if not more.
The agility is 5 out of 10 games serie procced so you basicly have it in arena the entire games even if its long.
The amount of fears my gnomes has soaked during the procc is also a ++++++
I will never trade it away for badge ;)

Edited by Raphner, 24 June 2013 - 12:03 PM.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 12:19 PM

View Postlimek, on 24 June 2013 - 11:23 AM, said:

I don't know about PvP, but in PvE everyone spits on Juju because it procs very rarely.
Im using it for pve and arena, it procs on the first arrow every game.
If not the first, its 100% the second ;)
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Posted 24 June 2013 - 05:53 PM

View Postbaggylol, on 24 June 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

what to get?? I have relic of xuen and the shado-pan trinket

Just use those, imo.

I like the hit on shado-pan because I can get down to like 1.7% hit by picking the right offpieces and the right reforge. Hell, and that's even with using both 496 rings. After reforging the shado-pan I'm only like 1 or 1.5% over the hit cap.

If you were really ambitious, you could then drop the hit ring for one of these:

http://www.wowhead.com/item=95137

http://www.wowhead.com/item=93243
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Posted 24 June 2013 - 06:11 PM

View PostNyeshyo, on 24 June 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:



Xuen has a low ICD and very relyable proc chance, same with tyrannical agility.

For me, Xuen has a VERY unpredictable proc chance and I use ExtraCD. I can't be arsed to use it together with engi gloves + bw anymore since I sometimes have to wait approximately 1 minute for it to procc. Don't know if it's a bug or something but the proc chance has really dissapointed me, in both PvP as well as PvE. On my Ret pala on the other hand, Xuen procs on my first attack everytime pretty much so it's very predictable.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 08:46 PM

View PostRaphner, on 24 June 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

It's a flat 10% more damage for your pet if not more.

You have ~37% Mastery without the Juju = 1.37 * Normal pet dmg.
Which means you get ~47% Mastery with the Juju = 1.47 * Normal pet dmg.

1.47/1.37 = ~1.073 = 7.3% more damage for your pet, assuming you get 10% mastery from the trinket.

And I'm quite sure that the Tyr Badge outweighs the Shado-pan trinket both in terms of burst and sustained damage. The same applies to Xuen vs Shado-pan.

Edited by Niosa, 24 June 2013 - 08:48 PM.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 12:52 PM

View PostNyeshyo, on 24 June 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

Because they're ICD trinkets and Juju is RPPM, which means the proc is random and scales with iLvl, which gets downscaled in arena.
Common mistake, the trinkets that proc an actual stat do not increase in proc rate as they gain ilvl, only trinkets like these.
http://www.wowhead.com/item=94524
http://www.wowhead.com/item=94532

That being said, rppm trinkets only proc at 25% of their normal rate in PvP iirc which will be like once every 5 minutes especially since you will have next to no haste in PvP. Although they have a failsafe to always proc on the opener. (Usually anyway)

View PostNiosa, on 24 June 2013 - 08:46 PM, said:

assuming you get 10% mastery from the trinket.
It's not even half of that.

Shado-pan + Tyrannical proc are probably the best choices, possibly relic.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 01:06 PM

View PostBrightx, on 26 June 2013 - 12:52 PM, said:

Common mistake, the trinkets that proc an actual stat do not increase in proc rate as they gain ilvl, only trinkets like these.
http://www.wowhead.com/item=94524
http://www.wowhead.com/item=94532

That being said, rppm trinkets only proc at 25% of their normal rate in PvP iirc which will be like once every 5 minutes especially since you will have next to no haste in PvP. Although they have a failsafe to always proc on the opener. (Usually anyway)
The only trinkets that have 25% of normal proc rate in pvp are those 2 that you linked, if that isn't actually what you meant.
All the other rppm trinkets have normal proc chance in pvp.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 03:33 PM

View PostRaphner, on 24 June 2013 - 12:19 PM, said:

Im using it for pve and arena, it procs on the first arrow every game.
If not the first, its 100% the second ;)

not even using it on armory, i did wargames with it and felt like it sucked you trolling?
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Posted 26 June 2013 - 05:34 PM

It's Bad Juju + Shado-Pan.  The Mastery you get from it if you're BM is too good to pass on.  It's 6%.  I'll SS it for you if you'd like.  I'd say, on average, I can get both VSPA and BJ to proc with one another about 6-7/10 games, and when it does I pop CDs and I have about 85k ATP.

I've got a pretty high success rate of BJ proccing for me, even more consistently than VSPA as well, so I don't know about all these other reports of it not proccing often for them.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 08:58 PM

View PostMattadoro, on 26 June 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

not even using it on armory, i did wargames with it and felt like it sucked you trolling?

swaped trinket for survival 2s i think, playing with it in 3s as BM
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Posted 27 June 2013 - 07:34 PM

Interesting... they've already hinted at this in a twitter post a few weeks back...

http://ptr.wowdb.com...ude#17093-17124
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Posted 24 July 2013 - 11:14 PM

What do you guys think about rune of re-origination. i have lfr version of it it I'm not sure how well it works when scaled down. Currently I'm using on use tyrannical pvp trinkets. I was  thinking of buying xuen, but 5.4 seems to be just around the corner and it's still kinda expensive for my broke ass.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 11:42 PM

rune sucks, it never procs ever

and when it does proc its not even that much more damage
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