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#1 Pretalethal

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:21 PM

http://www.wowhead.c...dated-june-20th

Edited by Pretalethal, 20 June 2013 - 10:37 PM.


#2 hoodrych

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:23 PM

These are the biggest ones...

Posted Image Druid

General
  • Cyclone no longer has a 20-second cooldown for Feral Druids.
  • Faerie Fire now has a duration of 20 seconds while in PvP combat (down from 40 seconds).
  • Force of Nature Treant summoned by the Feral version of this talent will now cast Entangling Roots instead of Bash.
  • Feral
    • Predatory Swiftness no longer has a chance to make Cyclone instant, free, and castable in all forms.
    Posted Image Hunter
    General
    • Posted Image Arcane Shot had its damage and focus cost increased by 50%.
    • Hunter's Mark now has a duration of 20 seconds while in PvP combat (down from 30 seconds).
    • Readiness now finishes the cooldowns on Rapid Fire, Feign Death, Deterrence, Disengage, and Camouflage when activated (was all Hunter abilities with a base cooldown of less than 5 minutes).
    Posted Image Warlock
    General
    • The debuff from using a Demonic Gateway has been increased to 60 seconds (up from 15 seconds).

Edited by hoodrych, 20 June 2013 - 10:25 PM.


#3 Braindance

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:27 PM

No, there are more notable updates

tl;dr of the biggest class changing updates (imo ofc):

  • Cyclone no longer has a 20-second cooldown for Feral Druids.

  • Faerie Fire now has a duration of 20 seconds while in PvP combat (down from 40 seconds).

  • Feral: Increases the amount healed by Healing Touch by 20%. Casting Healing Touch increases the damage for the Druid's next two melee abilities by 25%.

  • Predatory Swiftness no longer has a chance to make Cyclone instant, free, and castable in all forms.

  • Divine Plea no longer reduces the amount of healing done by 50%.

  • Selfless Healer stacks now also work on Divine Light in addition to Flash of Light. Bastion of Glory will now apply Selfless Healer's bonus to healing to the casting Paladin as well as other targets and consume all stacks of Bastion of Glory in the process.
  • Shadowform now increases the Priest's armor by 60%

  • The debuff from using a Demonic Gateway has been increased to 60 seconds (up from 15 seconds).

  • Shield Wall no longer requires a shield. If the Warrior does not have a shield equipped, it will show a visual of an equipped shield.

  • Spell Reflection no longer requires a shield. If the Warrior does not have a shield equipped, it will show a visual of an equipped shield.

  • Hamstring is no longer on a global cooldown.

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

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View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

#4 Pretalethal

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:29 PM

For some reason those are not showing up for me.

#5 Dravern

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:31 PM

mm spec getting hard nerfed because of the crap bm spec.

#6 Isumi

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:36 PM

don't get it, so ferals have to hardcast all of their clones?

#7 Braindance

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:42 PM

View PostDravern, on 20 June 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

mm spec getting hard nerfed because of the crap bm spec.
You should be grateful you have a tier one spec like playing it or not.

View PostIsumi, on 20 June 2013 - 10:36 PM, said:

don't get it, so ferals have to hardcast all of their clones?
Yes they do

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

#8 Pitiless

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:42 PM

Overall, really good changes.  The gateway debuff going from 15s to 60s seems kind of drastic though.  At 15s it's spammed too much, but I think straight up quadrupling it is too much in the other direction.  Maybe make it 30 or 40s.

Edit: Pure DPS classes are balanced around their best spec, sorry.  You don't see arcane mages complain when they get indirectly nerfed because frost got nerfed, and you don't see combat rogues complaining when they get indirectly nerfed because subt got nerfed.  MM isn't special.

Edited by Pitiless, 20 June 2013 - 10:44 PM.


#9 Vlada

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:46 PM

readiness change is insane, finally !

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:49 PM

Dramatic changes instead of telling us to wait until next expansion? I approve! Hopefully in the coming weeks no class/spec (outside of BM) gets shit on too bad.

I kinda wish Gateway wasn't usable in arena and warlocks weren't balanced around it.

View PostPitiless, on 20 June 2013 - 10:42 PM, said:

Edit: Pure DPS classes are balanced around their best spec, sorry.  You don't see arcane mages complain when they get indirectly nerfed because frost got nerfed, and you don't see combat rogues complaining when they get indirectly nerfed because subt got nerfed.  MM isn't special.
I don't entirely agree that pures are only entitled to one PvP spec, but if that were the case then for hunters it'd be Marks.

Edited by Hofflerand, 20 June 2013 - 11:26 PM.


#11 Sykoh

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:51 PM

LOL that cyclone change
ferals gonna be spamming that shit all day now

Edited by Sykoh, 20 June 2013 - 11:09 PM.


#12 mirox

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:54 PM

View PostBraindance, on 20 June 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

  
  • Faerie Fire now has a duration of 20 seconds while in PvP combat (down from 40 seconds).

YOU HAD ONE JOB HOLINKA, ONE JOB!

Edited by mirox, 20 June 2013 - 10:55 PM.


#13 WildeHilde

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:59 PM

Fearie Fire duration is still way too long

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:02 PM

The 20-Second Cyclone change for Ferals is huge, I would gladly trade this for an instant cyclone every 20 Seconds.  I think it will give Feral Druids more control in general, while toning down instant CC.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:07 PM

  • Narrow Escape's root effect is now a nature spell (was a physical spell).
  • Narrow Escape's root effect is now a nature spell (was a physical spell).
  • Narrow Escape's root effect is now a nature spell (was a physical spell).
  • Narrow Escape's root effect is now a nature spell (was a physical spell).


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:11 PM

While I completely agree that Gateway is stupid (portal for the whole team...), coupled with the other changes they're doing in 5.4 this might turn out really bad. I already often depend on Gateway to survive (with or without my healer or team following), and they're going to remove 10% reduction from fel armor. There's seemingly only DPS increases too, not nerfs.
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#17 amaixliu

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:12 PM

btw heads up since they took BW and amoc off readiness it's likely they're going to buff hunter damage again to compensate for PVE

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:14 PM

Don't nerf clone, nerf the druid trees!!

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:23 PM

I like what they did with Faerie Fire, 40 to 20 sec, no over-reacting, just a slight nerf and see what happens.

I would like to see a similar change to dk diseases.

Greats points to these faggot hunters complaining about MM.

You don't see mages complaining about arcane/fire, rogues about assassin/combat, warriors about fury or whatever else.


60 sec lock port CD wayyyy too long.  If they keep that should give locks similar 60% inc armor that spreists got.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:31 PM

View Postamaixliu, on 20 June 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

Narrow Escape's root effect is now a nature spell (was a physical spell).
What does nature spell even mean? Is the debuff being changed from physical to poison instead of magic, or what?

View Postamaixliu, on 20 June 2013 - 11:12 PM, said:

btw heads up since they took BW and amoc off readiness it's likely they're going to buff hunter damage again to compensate for PVE
Is an extra BM every 5 min that large a DPS increase in PvE?




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