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#21 Numbtoes

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 06:55 AM

Don't really understand this, hopefully this is going to be accompanied by some other changes. Maybe give arcane FoF procs or something.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 07:02 AM

Judging from his Twitter feed about the changes, it will come and it is because of all these 1500 whines that "omfg I trinketed frostnova to keep spamming necrotic on his healer so he deepd me and I died"
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Posted 20 June 2013 - 07:07 AM

wanted to go mage for some reason in MOP... regret it all the way so far

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 07:31 AM

Arcane anyone?

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 07:57 AM

The way frost mage's mastery works was pretty retarded in PvP ever since it was introduced, but this change / nerf is both even more stupid and way over the top. I don't think this is the right way to fix them, because what this would change is:
1. People no longer die to deep -> orb (this is good ofc)
2. Damage is totally gimped and relies on instant procs, which are exactly what this game doesn't need.

Imo a lot better way to change mastery would be for example to increase damage of your casted frost spells by certain amount and give them certain chance to proc FoF when they deal damage. Would give mages better sustained damage, less rng and would promote casting. Just an idea that popped into my head after reading about this change.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 08:00 AM

View PostNiNLeX, on 20 June 2013 - 07:57 AM, said:

The way frost mage's mastery works was pretty retarded in PvP ever since it was introduced, but this change / nerf is both even more stupid and way over the top. I don't think this is the right way to fix them, because what this would change is:
1. People no longer die to deep -> orb (this is good ofc)
2. Damage is totally gimped and relies on instant procs, which are exactly what this game doesn't need.

Imo a lot better way to change mastery would be for example to increase damage of your casted frost spells by certain amount and give them certain chance to proc FoF when they deal damage. Would give mages better sustained damage, less rng and would promote casting. Just an idea that popped into my head after reading about this change.

Blizzard could help promote more casting and sustained damage by increasing frostbolts damage so it does quite a bit more damage without it being over the top due to mastery. As long as they don't increase frostbombs damage by a lot you could see mages casting frostbolt a lot more. But it would mess with PvE. :(

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 08:41 AM

so i cant shove 400k damage up my targets ass every deep (40secs) ????
wtf is this stupid change. they should leave it as it is to promote casting guys.. wtf seriously

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 08:56 AM

I think this is a PvE change, because mastery didn't help frost mages at all in PvE.

Also to the post above, people aren't complaining about damage nerfs, even though a 40% nerf to frostbomb and frostbolt is huge, but this just makes mages even more dot/proc based. People want to have reliable rewarding damage when they cast and damage moved away from instants.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 09:13 AM

FINALLY MAGE NERF! OHHHHHH YEAAAAAAAAAAAA


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 09:17 AM

View Postcoolguymonk, on 20 June 2013 - 12:04 AM, said:

ooow, what a shame, mages can burst someone for 200k every 1minute.. :-(

and yeah hunters fuck u deep in the arse and so what does that make fo and df balanced? no it doesnt so dont even go there.

very nice change.

how is a 200k burst something special if we're losing the small susatined we had?

no damage from deep freezes now, happily i'm already using it to CC, but the only damage will come from hitting a good frozen orb, or really lucky RNG.

with this change, they at least need to revert the pet nova nerf so we can get more procs again, and possibly make cone of cold root again.

if they're taking all of our sustained damage & lots of the burst, we should get more control.

but well, if they at least nerf elementals/ferals/hunters we'll still be in a decent spot.

View PostDillypoo, on 03 August 2014 - 09:44 PM, said:

GUYS GUYS GUYS IM RUNNING IN I GOT A FEAR OFF THAT!!! Oh wait Tremor... OK OK OK Guys I got another full fear off that!!! Aw shit nimble, OK GUYS GUYS GUYS I SWEAR I HAVE A FULL FEAR! Fuck nevermind... Will. OK OK OK NOW THIS FEAR IS FULL!!! Shit he has tremor back up omg... OK OK OK NOW I HAVE A FULL FEAR ITS FULL KILL KILL Oh whoops... prep tremor... Damnit, I got a full fear this time!!! Oh... he trinketed it... next one should be full... FULL FEAR!!! He has nimble back up WTF.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 09:20 AM

i rolled warlock - 5.4 fucks the locks up - so i rolled hunter instead. LD OL

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 09:22 AM

View Postaiba, on 20 June 2013 - 08:41 AM, said:

so i cant shove 400k damage up my targets ass every deep (40secs) ????
wtf is this stupid change. they should leave it as it is to promote casting guys.. wtf seriously

I sense sarcasm, so i'm gonna try to respond without any:

What you're saying is basically "This is a good change", let me explain to you why it's not.

Basically, what this changes does is forcing us to remove frostbolt and frostbomb from the bars, and never use it (unless we are allowed to freecast entirely, and want 3 stacks of frostbolt on somebody before our new, great burst: ice lance spam).

There's no reason to ever use them over ice lance now, since lance deals more damage anyway. basically mage gameplay in 5.4, if these changes are final, will be living bomb / nether tempest while spamming polymorphs and waiting for procs.

If i wanted a dot class that just spam fears and dots people, occasionally shooting an instant (ice lance, fel flame? same shit, even the same amount of letters), i'd probably roll warlock.

View PostDillypoo, on 03 August 2014 - 09:44 PM, said:

GUYS GUYS GUYS IM RUNNING IN I GOT A FEAR OFF THAT!!! Oh wait Tremor... OK OK OK Guys I got another full fear off that!!! Aw shit nimble, OK GUYS GUYS GUYS I SWEAR I HAVE A FULL FEAR! Fuck nevermind... Will. OK OK OK NOW THIS FEAR IS FULL!!! Shit he has tremor back up omg... OK OK OK NOW I HAVE A FULL FEAR ITS FULL KILL KILL Oh whoops... prep tremor... Damnit, I got a full fear this time!!! Oh... he trinketed it... next one should be full... FULL FEAR!!! He has nimble back up WTF.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 09:26 AM

View PostCrawthz, on 20 June 2013 - 07:02 AM, said:

Judging from his Twitter feed about the changes, it will come and it is because of all these 1500 whines that "omfg I trinketed frostnova to keep spamming necrotic on his healer so he deepd me and I died"

had to put that in my signature, hope you don't mind :x

View PostDillypoo, on 03 August 2014 - 09:44 PM, said:

GUYS GUYS GUYS IM RUNNING IN I GOT A FEAR OFF THAT!!! Oh wait Tremor... OK OK OK Guys I got another full fear off that!!! Aw shit nimble, OK GUYS GUYS GUYS I SWEAR I HAVE A FULL FEAR! Fuck nevermind... Will. OK OK OK NOW THIS FEAR IS FULL!!! Shit he has tremor back up omg... OK OK OK NOW I HAVE A FULL FEAR ITS FULL KILL KILL Oh whoops... prep tremor... Damnit, I got a full fear this time!!! Oh... he trinketed it... next one should be full... FULL FEAR!!! He has nimble back up WTF.

#34 phunk

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 09:48 AM

View Postphael, on 20 June 2013 - 12:02 AM, said:

I realize that, but this is... pretty unbelievable.

They kinda went full potato on this, how it even made it through the design process is beyond me.

baked potato....mmm.....

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 09:52 AM

View Postfkno, on 20 June 2013 - 08:00 AM, said:

Blizzard could help promote more casting and sustained damage by increasing frostbolts damage so it does quite a bit more damage without it being over the top due to mastery. As long as they don't increase frostbombs damage by a lot you could see mages casting frostbolt a lot more. But it would mess with PvE. :(

What about making frostbolt make frostbomb do more dmg or something, doesn't need to be burst, could for example make it exlode two times but with some time in between so people don't get globald.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:21 AM

Abni has been preparing for this his whole life.

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:30 AM

View PostNumbtoes, on 20 June 2013 - 08:56 AM, said:

I think this is a PvE change, because mastery didn't help frost mages at all in PvE.

Also to the post above, people aren't complaining about damage nerfs, even though a 40% nerf to frostbomb and frostbolt is huge, but this just makes mages even more dot/proc based. People want to have reliable rewarding damage when they cast and damage moved away from instants.

Mastery helped PvE just like it does in 5.4 aswell. This is pure Holinkas PvP nerf to Frostmages.
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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:36 AM

View Postwatchmepwn, on 20 June 2013 - 09:20 AM, said:

i rolled warlock - 5.4 fucks the locks up - so i rolled hunter instead. LD OL

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:39 AM

View PostCrawthz, on 20 June 2013 - 07:02 AM, said:

Judging from his Twitter feed about the changes, it will come and it is because of all these 1500 whines that "omfg I trinketed frostnova to keep spamming necrotic on his healer so he deepd me and I died"
oh god are u actually serious about this?:S

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:44 AM

Spamming 30k frobo crits all day long. Fun Fun Fun ... there will be Buffs in some future ptr updates. Calm down guys!




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