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#21 KPul

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 03:56 AM

View PostAbidalzim, on 16 June 2013 - 03:37 AM, said:

Smoke bomb?
oh youre right! Good catch, since our survivability and damage is bad now, we are forced to use it to save ourselves.
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#22 sapnoob

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 03:59 AM

you suck

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 04:25 AM

I agree that rogues are pretty boring to play atm, not only cause they are slightly overnerfed but also the gameplay in itself is so poorly designed. The biggest issue i feel when i play my rogue is that your damage is so bumpy/uneven. Its pretty obvious you can do alot of dmg during cds but as soon as those have ended you do 0 dmg whatsoever. It feels kind of frustrating tickling people with 8k backstabs. I think they need to buff rogues sustained damage cause its dogshit atm...

I havent played on my rogue for several weeks tbh, i cant even cap cause i think its so boring. I think rogue used to be really fun to play and i actually even considered my rogue as my main (not really but close to it) for awhile. Since feral is and always will be my true class i dont really mind it so much, i just wont log my rogue until they have properly fixed it. But for all of u that plays rogue as your main i really feel your pain

#24 Marshmellow

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 04:27 AM

there's no point in complaining about a class anymore, blizzard is taking this game in the direction that no one wants it to go, every decision they have made this expansion has been almost the complete opposite of what it should have been.
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 05:01 AM

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#26 Echizen

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 05:40 AM

Well it really hurts to see devs saying such things. They think they know what they want rogue to be, but they do not know that this design in it's current state just doesn't work. And they are ok with that... cuz it's their design afterall... I didnt play rogue in cata so i do not know it feels to oneshot people, but since MoP it was like i was repaying for all those mistakes devs made back then... It felt absolutely retarded so i thought something should be changed. In 5.2 it was as retarded as it was... stupid games with CnD all over arena and dying in roots+ flare or in stuns like always...
I really do not mind any of designs they can offer to rogues... like Shady guy or a bandit with tricks to lock down and stuff but it must work first of all. I do not wanna be a shady guy who get's killed right after he get's out of it or pulled out of it by one of the aoe abilities... It's so stupid really. The more i play the more shit happens... The only reason i keep playing is cuz i have 5\7 PVE raids to keep me busy.

and... i find it good that my 5\7 raid's provide me with something usefull in pvp. PVP isn't only for those who run PVP only... I want to play both if it's worthwhile ofcource.

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 06:32 AM

View PostKPul, on 16 June 2013 - 02:59 AM, said:

sap is used about as often mid arena as hibernate is.
Ok, thanks for the advice!

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 06:57 AM

Its okay rogues!.. We're a "Stealth" class!!!

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 06:58 AM

View PostEchizen, on 16 June 2013 - 05:40 AM, said:

Go back to your gaypink forum or whatever.

Well it really hurts to see devs saying such things. They think they know what they want rogue to be, but they do not know that this design in it's current state just doesn't work. And they are ok with that... cuz it's their design afterall... I didnt play rogue in cata so i do not know it feels to oneshot people, but since MoP it was like i was repaying for all those mistakes devs made back then... It felt absolutely retarded so i thought something should be changed. In 5.2 it was as retarded as it was... stupid games with CnD all over arena and dying in roots+ flare or in stuns like always...
I really do not mind any of designs they can offer to rogues... like Shady guy or a bandit with tricks to lock down and stuff but it must work first of all. I do not wanna be a shady guy who get's killed right after he get's out of it or pulled out of it by one of the aoe abilities... It's so stupid really. The more i play the more shit happens... The only reason i keep playing is cuz i have 5\7 PVE raids to keep me busy.

and... i find it good that my 5\7 raid's provide me with something usefull in pvp. PVP isn't only for those who run PVP only... I want to play both if it's worthwhile ofcource.

Sorry to appear as dickish.. But please learn english before you post. See it as a prerequisite. I literally could not understand about 95% of your post.

#30 Echizen

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 07:12 AM

Sorry to be a foreigner, but maybe it's you who don't know english if you cant understand something that simple?

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 07:21 AM

ferals can stealth too holinka
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 07:44 AM

View PostAxalmar, on 16 June 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

Actually our 1700 opinions on the game should matter to you, were the newcomers who are told to shut the fuck up when we say a single word here. Theres no point asking help or directions because most answers are like yours.
Yes your opinion matters, but Felic was replying to Ohnoes (who happens to be multi r1), and not to members.

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

#33 shunke

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 08:10 AM

Disarm?

So you want DK's damage, Warriors mobility and Retris burst?

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 08:26 AM

Ok w8 5.5! or 6.0!

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 09:00 AM

rogues simply need the ability to do pressure aside from dance & eviscerates with find weakness up. if it happens that hemo starts doing real damage, they need to tone dance down in order to keep it balanced.

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 09:20 AM

View PostSnackumz, on 16 June 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

rogues simply need the ability to do pressure aside from dance & eviscerates with find weakness up. if it happens that hemo starts doing real damage, they need to tone dance down in order to keep it balanced.

This is pretty much spot on.

#37 Marshmellow

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 09:38 AM

View PostBailamosx, on 16 June 2013 - 09:25 AM, said:


Rambojohny can train you on how to handle that roid rage.

too soon...
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#38 KPul

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 10:51 AM

View Postvarellol, on 16 June 2013 - 07:16 AM, said:

well yeah, rogues dont need buffs but they need changes. Playstyle is boring especially cuz of fucking rupture needed

I feel like the reason they are sticking behind the Rupture / garrote for sanginary vein option is a silly attempt to add ramp up time to try and tone down burst.   They were tired of people coming out of stealth with shadowdance and forcing every defensive CD in the opener.  But what they probably didnt plan on was people using the 2 combos the got from the cheap shot on a really weak rupture immediately.  

So now that they cant figure out how to balance the class without making it too strong they decided to leave it weak and focus their attention on Combat. the 2 min CD 1 shot king spec.
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 11:26 AM

why not let Rupture do real dmg...
and shadowdance less dmg

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 11:35 AM

View Postshunke, on 16 June 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

Disarm?

So you want DK's damage, Warriors mobility and Retris burst?

this is the reason there should be requirements to post rofl




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