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#541 Ezyo1000

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 09:24 PM

you actually put warrior and "intellectually" in one sentence....oh my... let's face it, ppl don't play warriors because it requires intelligence, ppl play warriors because they are easy

and as for nerfing 6 other classes, it didn't stop blizzard to balance pvp around mages


Believe it or not wars had a had skill floor and ceiling before the mess of cata came to pass

think about it, over the years mages were never bad, most of the nerfs and buffs were somehow relate to mages if you look at it

for example wars last season, they couldn't stay on mages well, so Blizz buffed their moblity, then wars were just destroying everyone else so blizz nerfed wars

nerf to dispells was one of the biggest buffs to mages this expansion, given it affects other casters but locks and sp had dispell protection anyway, druid shit is spammable: mages CC on other hand while didn't change all that much but became way more stupid just because of dispell changes

i can bring up few examples like this


Mages arent super op, but they are a very forgiving class that has a low skill floor and high ceiling. Like how Bm is, forgiving noob friendly spec
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#542 Reirei

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 09:26 PM

You keep telling warriors to not ask for buffs, but nerfs to other classes, Its not going to happen this patch, Why? Because there would be no way blizz could/would nerf 6 classes in a reasonable time, with balanced changes that dont effect Pve, and also dont cause those classes to be under par.

The best thing to do is get tweaks to put us in line (No warrior is asking for s9-s12 status) With other melee. But coming to the warrior thread and basically saying "You guys are fine, stop asking to be brought up to par and continue to be subpar for the rest of the xpac and hope/pray blizz tones everyone else down to your level"

You know the funny thing? People used this exact same argument in S11 with wars "you guys are fine/balanced everyone else is just OP, Stop asking for buffs" and we all know how "Fine" wars were then...


anything we say doesnt matter for next patch anyway, it is already set

wars WERE actually fine last expac, you saw what happend when they got buffed in s12

buffing classes just causes more power creep, you buff wars, then other classes suck and get destroyed, so they buff other classes to the point where game is just 1 shot movie (which it is kind of already)

this game has too many CCs for example, they could be easily nerfed w/o affecting pve too much since pve is more about dps and not CCs

and more sustain dmg is probably better than stupid burst for pvp and pve, because you wouldn't rely so much on burst

you think rogues are in great state atm? i think they are fine, compared to other classes they do kind of suck but buffing rogues would just have s11 effect on arena, who wants that?
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shut up pvp guy

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 09:38 PM

Who cares. Let's wait for number pass.
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Going to blizzcon looking for a fight is like going to the official wow arena forums for pvp advice :)

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...


#544 Doctor M

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 09:47 PM

wars WERE actually fine last expac, you saw what happend when they got buffed in s12


Warriors being broken in 5.0-5.1 happend because MoP came and a lot new stupid mechanics got introduced, same with s9 Cataclysm, not because Warriors were "buffed".
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But look how fucking dumb it was like, a bot could Drain Mana just like a bot could play Hunter ATM.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 01:10 AM

anything we say doesnt matter for next patch anyway, it is already set



The mongoloid is strong with this one..
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Posted 05 August 2013 - 01:48 AM

Fists of fury removed from the game.
Paralyse now has 1 min CD.
Spear hand strike no longer blanket silences for 2 sec.
Double slow now has 45sec internal CD.
Spinning fire blossom no longer roots enemies for 2 sec.
All damage reduced by 10-20%.
All healing reduced by 75%

Repeat with every class.

Do you realy want them to do it? Do you realy think its possible that they do it?


Do I want them to do it? yes

Will they? probably not, this game now caters to the people that like spamming random buttons when they flash up

Every class needs changes like this, every class having multiple cc's with dispel having an 8 second cooldown and trinket having a 2 minute cooldown is pretty much what is breaking the game, they add more and more cc every expansion and 90% of it is undispellable and only dr's with 1-2 other abilities
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#547 Ezyo1000

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 02:39 AM

anything we say doesnt matter for next patch anyway, it is already set wars WERE actually fine last expac, you saw what happend when they got buffed in s12 buffing classes just causes more power creep, you buff wars, then other classes suck and get destroyed, so they buff other classes to the point where game is just 1 shot movie (which it is kind of already) this game has too many CCs for example, they could be easily nerfed w/o affecting pve too much since pve is more about dps and not CCs and more sustain dmg is probably better than stupid burst for pvp and pve, because you wouldn't rely so much on burst you think rogues are in great state atm? i think they are fine, compared to other classes they do kind of suck but buffing rogues would just have s11 effect on arena, who wants that?


Of course you would say wars were fine last xpac, because everyone was able to take a huge steaming dump on them and wars couldnt do anything about it, we were walking target dummies for 8 months.

s12 Op status had nothing to do with s11. They added new mechanics, changed how talents worked, and didnt listen to feedback wars were giving them about the stupidity that was 5 stack TfB.

And yess toning down cc and burst would do wonders, however, blizz thinks the amount of cc in game is fine (Its not) and they dont really do a great job of toning down burst for more sustained, what usually happens is a classes damage is neutered, or they shift burst out of one ability and super buff another so that class still had retarded damage, but now its on X ability not Y
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Posted 05 August 2013 - 11:49 AM

Of course you would say wars were fine last xpac, because everyone was able to take a huge steaming dump on them and wars couldnt do anything about it, we were walking target dummies for 8 months.

s12 Op status had nothing to do with s11. They added new mechanics, changed how talents worked, and didnt listen to feedback wars were giving them about the stupidity that was 5 stack TfB.

And yess toning down cc and burst would do wonders, however, blizz thinks the amount of cc in game is fine (Its not) and they dont really do a great job of toning down burst for more sustained, what usually happens is a classes damage is neutered, or they shift burst out of one ability and super buff another so that class still had retarded damage, but now its on X ability not Y


Actually blizzard is aware of the current state of CC abilities, they made a tweet about it. Was something like this
"we are aware of the current state CC in the game, we will take a long hard look at it in 6.0" but as always blizzard is so scared of making a rash decision and have to ruin half an expansion to fix it.
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But look how fucking dumb it was like, a bot could Drain Mana just like a bot could play Hunter ATM.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 04:56 PM

You keep telling warriors to not ask for buffs, but nerfs to other classes, Its not going to happen this patch, Why? Because there would be no way blizz could/would nerf 6 classes in a reasonable time, with balanced changes that dont effect Pve, and also dont cause those classes to be under par.

The best thing to do is get tweaks to put us in line (No warrior is asking for s9-s12 status) With other melee. But coming to the warrior thread and basically saying "You guys are fine, stop asking to be brought up to par and continue to be subpar for the rest of the xpac and hope/pray blizz tones everyone else down to your level"

You know the funny thing? People used this exact same argument in S11 with wars "you guys are fine/balanced everyone else is just OP, Stop asking for buffs" and we all know how "Fine" wars were then...


Amen...
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Posted 05 August 2013 - 05:03 PM

According to the rogue, warriors were fine in S11 too so I'm not sure why people here are even bothering to respond to him.

And people don't play warrior because it's easy to play, most people do it because they love the play style. Not every one likes the "Let me reset this fight by vanishing because I'm chickenshit" type of playstyle.
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Posted 05 August 2013 - 05:16 PM

Actually blizzard is aware of the current state of CC abilities, they made a tweet about it. Was something like this
"we are aware of the current state CC in the game, we will take a long hard look at it in 6.0" but as always blizzard is so scared of making a rash decision and have to ruin half an expansion to fix it.


Well atleast they are admitting its too much, for the longest time they were claiming " If we tone down cc, games would go on forever" Which wouldn't be the case if mana users "Gasp' had to actually worry about mana, and classes weren't going from mongo with cds down to wet noodle till cds back up (Or in ele's case, random mongo damage /o cds then WTOMGRUN damage with cds).

There is no longer a feeling of out playing your opponents really anymore, I mean it kinda feels that way sorta in heal/dps 2s but those games last forever against comps that simply have more utility then you can burn through with cds and that makes it boring as well.

But in 3s even at high ratings you will see teams that either kill someone in the first 30 sec-1 min, and if they don't they slowly get beaten down and eventually die because there comp cant play any other way. Or you watch teams run these ridicules cc chains where the majority of the match is 3v2 rather then 3v3 because of the amount of control the team has, all on separate dr.

cc needs to be meaningful,risky, and rewarding, not "Ok ready to run a chain on healer? /Insert ranged instant cast cc"
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 11:59 AM

Even with the slam buff, I still think we're not going to be deadly enough for people to take us in the team. I still think Monk/feral/dk/ret will be far better melees due to alot of utility.
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 02:24 PM

Mages arent super op, but they are a very forgiving class


wtf?

maybe in a random bg or @ 1200 raiting. but if youre playing above 2k and you dont be carefull as fuck with your globals, you die fucking instant.
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Posted 09 August 2013 - 02:27 PM

wtf?

maybe in a random bg or @ 1200 raiting. but if youre playing above 2k and you dont be carefull as fuck with your globals, you die fucking instant.


Due to how strong Hunters are this patch, I'd have to agree with this. May be different if Hunters get nerfed enough. Not sure that is happening though.
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