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#1 Nerfmytotems

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 02:00 PM

Anyone tested this on PTR?

Buff? nerf? or bad datamining?



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#2 Baht

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 02:18 PM

i just saw this as well and tbh, it has to be bad datamining. that would mean lava burst didnt scale with sp at all which would be more retarded than i'd expect even from blizzard >.<

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 03:32 PM

I did some reaaaaaaaally lazy testing and I did like 105k lvb without unleash or anything, just fs up, on ptr and I do like 85k on live!
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Posted 14 May 2013 - 03:37 PM

are you happy jonte? xD
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Posted 14 May 2013 - 03:43 PM

If Lava Burst will do close to Elemental Blast crit dmg I am never ever playing Elemental Blast EVER again.. hate that shitty rng, either a 30k noncrit or 120k crit..stupid.
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Posted 14 May 2013 - 06:29 PM

well thats all fine and dandy. but if lava burst doesnt scale with sp as i read that text ele is gonna suck balls late in the expansion

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 06:53 PM

Lava Burst now has a 2 second cast time, up from 1.5 seconds, and deals 25% more damage.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 07:04 PM

View PostNerfmytotems, on 14 May 2013 - 02:00 PM, said:

Anyone tested this on PTR?

Buff? nerf? or bad datamining?



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Season 8 all over, When the lava bolt is flying, you be dying

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 07:10 PM

View PostMirionx, on 14 May 2013 - 06:53 PM, said:

Lava Burst now has a 2 second cast time, up from 1.5 seconds, and deals 25% more damage.
well if this is all it is thats actually quite a huge buff 0.o considering most of the lava bursts are instant. Though kinda meh that ascendance will be even easier to peel. Anyone mind testing if this ends up as a dps gain or loss with ascendance assuming free casting? i mean. its a 33% increase in cast time but only 25% increase in dmg. But not sure how it works out when you get some procs as well

View PostZerlog, on 14 May 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

Season 8 all over, When the lava bolt is flying, you be dying
hardly.. lava burst will hit around the same as it does on live with this buff+pvp power nerf. and if you've met ele shamans that does s8 comparable dmg with lava burst im obviously doing something REALLY wrong

Edited by Baht, 14 May 2013 - 07:14 PM.


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 07:15 PM

Exactly what ele-shamans need, good change.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 07:40 PM

HELLO UNLEASHED FURY ELEMENTAL MASTERY ASCENDANCE :shaman:
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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:24 PM

Again blizzard moving in the wrong way. Ele needs survivability.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:38 PM

View PostZerlog, on 14 May 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

Season 8 all over, When the lava bolt is flying, you be dying

You must mean 12 warrior s13 mage,hunter and rogue damage then (:
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Posted 14 May 2013 - 09:53 PM

View PostJontex, on 14 May 2013 - 07:40 PM, said:

HELLO UNLEASHED FURY ELEMENTAL MASTERY ASCENDANCE :shaman:
I doubt it will make ascendance significantly different tbh. except easier to peel and harder to hit cause of the longer cast time. i havent tested it but i assume that the casttime+dmg increase evens out at the same dps. which means when you only spam that it will be the same thing

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 09:58 PM

Unleashed fury as the final talent makes it hit 10% harder for the entire ascendance, which ive used at 2300+ and had great results and it adds 20% more dmg on lihgtning bolt which is buffed next patch at % faster casts and unglyphed useable while on the move. Tbh the only reason i specced back into ele blast is all the top shamans were ele blast.

unleashed fury is dispellable though but i play with a UA lock which greatly helps

and with elemental mastery before you were kind of haste capped @1 sec lava burst casts  now it will be like 1.2 but they will hit so much harder
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Posted 14 May 2013 - 10:04 PM

Huge Ascendance Nerf.

If it hit for 90k now then you did 60k/sec
It'll hit for 112.5k in 5.3 but 2sec cast time so 56,250k/sec

Bad numbers but it's a damage nerf obviously. But more importantly you have to get a 2 second cast off, and since it's a short duration they have to stop casting on it's a LOT easier to stop in it's entirety.

Unless you're a Troll or something and can hit over 80% Haste it's a bad change for Ascendance. Even at 1.2 cast time it barely breaks even for damage output and you're having to cast more.

Can always spread FS and get lucky big number chain procs though. So nice change there.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 10:10 PM

Its a buff to burst and nerf to consistency dmg, so in my eyes its a buff to elemental in pvp
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Posted 14 May 2013 - 10:23 PM

View PostSabyth, on 14 May 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

Huge Ascendance Nerf.

also the guy above me seems to hit it spot on

If it hit for 90k now then you did 60k/sec
It'll hit for 112.5k in 5.3 but 2sec cast time so 56,250k/sec

Bad numbers but it's a damage nerf obviously. But more importantly you have to get a 2 second cast off, and since it's a short duration they have to stop casting on it's a LOT easier to stop in it's entirety.

Unless you're a Troll or something and can hit over 80% Haste it's a bad change for Ascendance. Even at 1.2 cast time it barely breaks even for damage output and you're having to cast more.

Can always spread FS and get lucky big number chain procs though. So nice change there.

really bad math but i get what you are getting at, unfortunately with current haste being so good for everything during ascendance as elemental mastery you are actually haste capped during ascendance

also dont forget that flame shock lasts a lot longer now and lock gates are dottable on both ends  if you were to fight mls next patch you could have flame shock on up to 7 things (obviously not all at once)

if you go unleash next patch your 112k becomes 123k :)

Edited by Mattadoro, 14 May 2013 - 10:24 PM.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 11:04 PM

Keep in mind that a very healthy amount of your lava bursts are gonna be instant cast, which is obviously not effected by an increased cast time.  I'd say this is a decent buff for ele PvP.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 11:07 PM

kinda tired while writing this so feel free to correct/bash or whatever

View PostSabyth, on 14 May 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

Huge Ascendance Nerf.

If it hit for 90k now then you did 60k/sec
It'll hit for 112.5k in 5.3 but 2sec cast time so 56,250k/sec

Bad numbers but it's a damage nerf obviously. But more importantly you have to get a 2 second cast off, and since it's a short duration they have to stop casting on it's a LOT easier to stop in it's entirety.

Unless you're a Troll or something and can hit over 80% Haste it's a bad change for Ascendance. Even at 1.2 cast time it barely breaks even for damage output and you're having to cast more.

Can always spread FS and get lucky big number chain procs though. So nice change there.

you need to factor in lava surge procs if you're gonna put it like that. cause while its true if you had to cast every single lava burst its a nerf. but you wont go a full ascendance without a proc. And its a buff to those procs. if i just assume your numbers are correct and you'd have 5 flame shock ticks with flame shock on 1 target in the 15sec ascendance is up. thats 1 instant lava burst @ 112.5k average. thats a 7.5k dps increase and would actually put it slightly above the dps on live. blah blah you lose a gcd then blah blah. yes but you'd still get the same amount of casted lava bursts cause you'd just finish the last one while ascendance fades as far as i can tell. and every extra flame shock you have up increases the dmg difference from live. I personally have atleast 3 flame shocks rolling at most times so it'll definently add up. It does make ascendance easier to peel as you said though which is meh as its not hard as it is


View PostMattadoro, on 14 May 2013 - 09:58 PM, said:

Unleashed fury as the final talent makes it hit 10% harder for the entire ascendance, which ive used at 2300+ and had great results and it adds 20% more dmg on lihgtning bolt which is buffed next patch at % faster casts and unglyphed useable while on the move. Tbh the only reason i specced back into ele blast is all the top shamans were ele blast.

unleashed fury is dispellable though but i play with a UA lock which greatly helps

and with elemental mastery before you were kind of haste capped @1 sec lava burst casts  now it will be like 1.2 but they will hit so much harder

dont go elemental blast just cause everyone else does. I know zæus is doing great with unleashed fury and i swap for it vs some comps as well myself. Its not really that elemental blast is a lot better. its just more reliable burst outside ascendance. but unleashed fury has its obvious advantages as well, like sustained pressure and ascendance burst. what im trying to say is that while i personally prefer elemental blast 9/10 times its really more of a playstyle choice than anything mandatory if you're a good ele, which i assume you are. If you were bad elemental blast is superior just cause its easier to keep pressure up with and leaves more room for error vs more comps cause its easier to turn the momentum around with it

View PostNadagast, on 14 May 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

Keep in mind that a very healthy amount of your lava bursts are gonna be instant cast, which is obviously not effected by an increased cast time.  I'd say this is a decent buff for ele PvP.
this - though a healthy amount is kinda an understatement if you spread flame shock on 3 targets. rarely ever get to cast lava burst outside ascendance

Edited by Baht, 14 May 2013 - 11:44 PM.





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