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#21 Icekingx

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 02:13 AM

I wish we could go back to BC/wrath mage play frosbolt/icelance instead of spam icelance/nt/frostbomb. It's like for rogues they are nerfing the wrong things same for mages take out bombs/nerf them & nerf rogues subterfuge. I really loved this game alot more in bc/wrath I mean watching games that end in like 30 seconds is boring really like long games of skill not who can pop everything first gets the win.

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#22 Deadscumlord

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 02:26 AM

Entire community complaining about instant cast damage.

Blazzard nerfs a Frost Mages 1 casted damage ability (excluding frostbomb) and then to make it even funnier they nerf the heal the the Water Ele.

Really you took the time to nerf the damage done to Water Elemental???

I think the pressure got to Holinka and he Relapsed.
Dude prolly took a header to the dome.

#23 deprivelol

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 02:40 AM

More instants just what we need... Jk

#24 Dagin

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 02:56 AM

I'm confused since when do mages cast frostbolt?
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#25 DamnBlackCap

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 03:49 AM

Come on guys, healing water elemental was overpowered, from 10% to 80% in one cast is definetly op, considering mages high crit-chance n stuff.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 03:59 AM

View PostConviqx, on 08 May 2013 - 01:24 AM, said:

BLIZZARD LOGIC STRIKES AGAIN!

"We don't like the instants in the game, but we are nerfing the reward from getting casts off"

-mage kills u with 1 frostbolt cast and 4551123 procs?

-NERF FROSTBOLT

they need to tell me what shit they smoke down there at blizzard entertainment or what kind of shrooms those geniuses are devouring

Lol.  Was thinking the same. #blizzlogic

#27 Mbgz

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 04:00 AM

well its atleast something, those bomb shatters with a casted frostbolt is insane atm, if they cant change the actual issue, then this change will atleast do SOMETHING.

still dumb.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 04:01 AM

Frozen Orb 30k
Nether Tempest 15k
Ice Lance 70k
Frozen Orb 30k
Nether Tempest 15k
Frozen Orb 30k
Nether Tempest 15k
Ice Lance 70k
Frozen Orb 30k
Nether Tempest 15k
Ice Lance 70k
Frozen Orb 30k
Nether Tempest 15k
Ice Lance 50k (20k Overkill)

Good thing Frostbolt is being looked at guys.

#29 duskfallx

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 04:01 AM

not a good way to nerf mages, yeah. seems like a PvE change, tbh.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 04:05 AM

View PostSabyth, on 08 May 2013 - 04:01 AM, said:

Frozen Orb 30k
Nether Tempest 15k
frostbolt 110k
Frozen Orb 30k
Nether Tempest 15k
Frozen Orb 30k
Nether Tempest 15k
Ice Lance 70k
Frozen Orb 30k
Nether Tempest 15k
frostbolt 110k
Frozen Orb 30k
Nether Tempest 15k
Ice Lance 50k (20k Overkill)

Good thing Frostbolt is being looked at guys.

it is a good change, better than nothing.

#31 Braindance

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 04:07 AM

Can't they just make FoF proc only from bolts or something

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

#32 fant0m8

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 04:24 AM

View PostJahmilli1, on 08 May 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

Using Mitchjones playing with Reckful is a terrible example as well. I'm pretty sure Mitchjones is stacking full int, playing with NO PvP trinket, and spends 90% of the game next to a pillar WITH blazing speed.

No class should be able to do that (not BM Hunters either, if you think they can). So yea that should be nerfed. Yes he's not usually at 2600 MMR, but he still plays at 2400 quite a bit and carries Reck on his random alts otherwise.

View PostColdizzle, on 08 May 2013 - 01:55 AM, said:

if they nerf to 10% everyone go for invocation or the other thing that gives 15% insta

MLS INC

Why does that matter? Invocation is worse than the current Incanter's, so it would still be a nerf.

Personally I think Incanters could stay at like 20%, not 10%.

View PostJahmilli1, on 08 May 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

Using Mitchjones playing with Reckful is a terrible example as well. I'm pretty sure Mitchjones is stacking full int, playing with NO PvP trinket, and spends 90% of the game next to a pillar WITH blazing speed.

No class should be able to do that (not BM Hunters either, if you think they can). So yea that should be nerfed. Yes he's not usually at 2600 MMR, but he still plays at 2400 quite a bit and carries Reck on his random alts otherwise.
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Posted 08 May 2013 - 04:31 AM

View PostJahmilli1, on 08 May 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

If you're going to nerf mage damage you don't nerf frosbolt lol. You nerf incanter's CD or spell power % / proc trinket (mainly relic of yulon). The only real ridiculous damage that comes from mages is because of incanters, proc trinkets, prey on the weak, and tricks of the trade.

Using Mitchjones playing with Reckful is a terrible example as well. I'm pretty sure Mitchjones is stacking full int, playing with NO PvP trinket, and spends 90% of the game next to a pillar WITH blazing speed. Not to mention if he's playing with Reckful (no offense) they are probably playing against really low rated teams who do nothing but look at health bars the entire game instead of actual buffs/posiitioning.

Next time one of you dies or takes an unreasable amount of damage unnexpectedly (mainly from rogue/mage/hunter), please take a moment to look at the buffs of the person who did it. I promise 99% of the time it happens you'll see some random ass godly PvE trinket up, or incanters stacked with on use/proc trinket.

Shouldn't be worrying about classes' damage in PVP until using PvE gear isn't viable in arena anymore.

they are playing around 2500 MMR so it isnt like they are fighting 1500 teams.....

#34 Braindance

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 04:47 AM

View PostJahmilli1, on 08 May 2013 - 02:07 AM, said:

If you're going to nerf mage damage you don't nerf frosbolt lol. You nerf incanter's CD or spell power % / proc trinket (mainly relic of yulon). The only real ridiculous damage that comes from mages is because of incanters, proc trinkets, prey on the weak, and tricks of the trade.

Using Mitchjones playing with Reckful is a terrible example as well. I'm pretty sure Mitchjones is stacking full int, playing with NO PvP trinket, and spends 90% of the game next to a pillar WITH blazing speed. Not to mention if he's playing with Reckful (no offense) they are probably playing against really low rated teams who do nothing but look at health bars the entire game instead of actual buffs/posiitioning.

Next time one of you dies or takes an unreasable amount of damage unnexpectedly (mainly from rogue/mage/hunter), please take a moment to look at the buffs of the person who did it. I promise 99% of the time it happens you'll see some random ass godly PvE trinket up, or incanters stacked with on use/proc trinket.

Shouldn't be worrying about classes' damage in PVP until using PvE gear isn't viable in arena anymore.
Right now at 2460 mmr farming players like Thugonomics, with Reckful's 20 days old sp. And no, even without pve gear it is still too high. Mages are fine only vs thugcleaves, godcomps and sp/rogue/healer teams - only those teams have a true fighting chance right now. And if mages are not nerfed now, with the nerfs to rogues, hunters and sps, what is gonna stop them from being the absolute king class?

I have seen your stream, and I have a lot of respect for you, but you can't possible scapegoat pve trinkets, or tricks or even prey on the weak. I am most confident that you will agree when I say that something about mages has to be nerfed, especially damage that comes from instants.

View PostZerstiren, on 14 August 2011 - 01:21 AM, said:

If you haven't +repped this guy, you are part of the problem.

View PostRenaissance_Man, on 31 July 2013 - 04:31 AM, said:

If I had a gun with two bullets and I was in a room with Hitler, bin Laden, and you, I would shoot you twice.

View Postsimonfra1234, on 25 August 2011 - 08:46 PM, said:

bro you got +rep'd by rapture...

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:00 AM

this change is a mockery

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:09 AM

frost bolt what is that

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:48 AM

wháaaat?

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:54 AM

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 08:14 AM

From what I've heard, frostbolt was buffed on PTR, and this change is just bringing it back in line with live.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 08:26 AM

View PostNadagast, on 08 May 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

From what I've heard, frostbolt was buffed on PTR, and this change is just bringing it back in line with live.

someone confirm this.

they need to bring back FoF off frostbolt - does not proc off frozen orb - lower the cast time of frostbolt (nerf dmg if the cast time is lowered to something reasonable) cut instant damage by 25%. nerf IWard and make it so it cant be dispelled.
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